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	<title>Comments on: Why King&#8217;s Dream Overcame &#8220;Christian&#8221; White Supremacy</title>
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	<description>By Russell D. Moore. Russell D. Moore serves as the teaching pastor at Highview Baptist Church in Louisville, Ky. In addition, Dr. Moore is the Dean of the School of Theology and Senior Vice President for Academic Administration at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Find sermons and other resources to help Christians engage the culture from a biblical worldview at www.russellmoore.com.</description>
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		<title>By: Racism and Jesus &#8211; Remedy Church Blog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 00:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@volfan007, maybe it is assumed to be common knowledge, but would you mind finding the source upon which your statements - flawed or false gospel that is "heretically flawed," works salvation, etc. - are based?  

And what exactly does it mean for your hero who is worthy of your celebration not only in accomplishment but as a man to have "not a liberal bone in his body"?

Ross Clark - what were his profound flaws and profoundly flawed theology?  Are you implying that because Jesus' true disciples kept quiet during the civil rights movement at the beckoning of the self-righteous religious leaders that Dr. King was a stone - as opposed to a human being, muchless disciple - that cried out?  What exactly did come to your mind in that comment?

In light of your accusations of heresy, which part of the definition of "fundamentalism" would you two not see yourself as?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fundamentalist

If I understand correctly, Dr. King had a flawed theology of earning salvation; therefore, while his "message" regarding civil rights may not simply be disregarded, and indeed his accomplishments may even be celebrated, he is not worthy of celebration as a person, nor is he credible as a minister of the gospel.

And does anyone else find the similarity of David Chappell cited in the post and the racial commentary of Dave Chapelle funny?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@volfan007, maybe it is assumed to be common knowledge, but would you mind finding the source upon which your statements - flawed or false gospel that is &#8220;heretically flawed,&#8221; works salvation, etc. - are based?  </p>
<p>And what exactly does it mean for your hero who is worthy of your celebration not only in accomplishment but as a man to have &#8220;not a liberal bone in his body&#8221;?</p>
<p>Ross Clark - what were his profound flaws and profoundly flawed theology?  Are you implying that because Jesus&#8217; true disciples kept quiet during the civil rights movement at the beckoning of the self-righteous religious leaders that Dr. King was a stone - as opposed to a human being, muchless disciple - that cried out?  What exactly did come to your mind in that comment?</p>
<p>In light of your accusations of heresy, which part of the definition of &#8220;fundamentalism&#8221; would you two not see yourself as?<br />
<a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fundamentalist" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/dictionary.reference.com');" rel="nofollow">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fundamentalist</a></p>
<p>If I understand correctly, Dr. King had a flawed theology of earning salvation; therefore, while his &#8220;message&#8221; regarding civil rights may not simply be disregarded, and indeed his accomplishments may even be celebrated, he is not worthy of celebration as a person, nor is he credible as a minister of the gospel.</p>
<p>And does anyone else find the similarity of David Chappell cited in the post and the racial commentary of Dave Chapelle funny?</p>
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		<title>By: volfan007</title>
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		<dc:creator>volfan007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross,

Thank you for answering, and for not putting me in that category of those who would discredit the civil rights work he did.  I dont discredit his civil rights work, but his theology was seriously flawed; heretically flawed.  But, I still rejoice in the civil rights work that MLK did.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross,</p>
<p>Thank you for answering, and for not putting me in that category of those who would discredit the civil rights work he did.  I dont discredit his civil rights work, but his theology was seriously flawed; heretically flawed.  But, I still rejoice in the civil rights work that MLK did.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Russell D. Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell D. Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Regina Gibson, What a kind word. I thank God for you and the great ministry he has given to you! Blessings in Christ. RDM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Regina Gibson, What a kind word. I thank God for you and the great ministry he has given to you! Blessings in Christ. RDM</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Volfan - No, my comments weren't aimed at you, they were aimed at a view which seems to be held by many fundamentalists 'in general' - that MLK's flawed theology and even false gospel, as you put it, means that the message he preached w.r.t civil rights can be discredited out of hand. Hence my posting at [8].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Volfan - No, my comments weren&#8217;t aimed at you, they were aimed at a view which seems to be held by many fundamentalists &#8216;in general&#8217; - that MLK&#8217;s flawed theology and even false gospel, as you put it, means that the message he preached w.r.t civil rights can be discredited out of hand. Hence my posting at [8].</p>
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		<title>By: Regina Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regina Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for speaking so boldly on an issue that still haunts many in this culture. Even in the 90s &#38; I'd venture to say even today some of my relatives still face racial tensions and issues with more regularity than I care to admit. As an African-American young woman, I am thankful that SBTS has such a practical &#38; articulate theologian who can express truth in a way that calls people to repentance. It brings joy to my heart to know that you are influencing future ministers of the Gospel. Thank you for encouraging them to turn from duplicitous thinking &#38; instead to herald the true Gospel of grace until our Lord returns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for speaking so boldly on an issue that still haunts many in this culture. Even in the 90s &amp; I&#8217;d venture to say even today some of my relatives still face racial tensions and issues with more regularity than I care to admit. As an African-American young woman, I am thankful that SBTS has such a practical &amp; articulate theologian who can express truth in a way that calls people to repentance. It brings joy to my heart to know that you are influencing future ministers of the Gospel. Thank you for encouraging them to turn from duplicitous thinking &amp; instead to herald the true Gospel of grace until our Lord returns.</p>
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		<title>By: volfan007</title>
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		<dc:creator>volfan007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross,

Are you calling me a fundamentalist?  Or, are you making some general comment about some fundamentalist out there somewhere?

Secondly, his flawed theology was preaching a false gospel; ie a works salvation and liberation theology.  Dont you think that's something that needs to be pointed out, whenever some people idolize MLK, and could be influenced by his teaching?

Thirdly, I do agree with Dr. Moore's post, and I celebrate all the accomplishments of MLK and others of that era in the area of race relations.  I'm glad that our country is a better country today, because of what they did back then.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross,</p>
<p>Are you calling me a fundamentalist?  Or, are you making some general comment about some fundamentalist out there somewhere?</p>
<p>Secondly, his flawed theology was preaching a false gospel; ie a works salvation and liberation theology.  Dont you think that&#8217;s something that needs to be pointed out, whenever some people idolize MLK, and could be influenced by his teaching?</p>
<p>Thirdly, I do agree with Dr. Moore&#8217;s post, and I celebrate all the accomplishments of MLK and others of that era in the area of race relations.  I&#8217;m glad that our country is a better country today, because of what they did back then.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further to earlier; the SBC has got the point. You don't need to worry about that. But I am concerned that the (baptistic) Fundamentalist movement(s) have *not* got the point, which explains why there seem to be very few African-Americans amongst them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further to earlier; the SBC has got the point. You don&#8217;t need to worry about that. But I am concerned that the (baptistic) Fundamentalist movement(s) have *not* got the point, which explains why there seem to be very few African-Americans amongst them.</p>
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		<title>By: volfan007</title>
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		<dc:creator>volfan007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ross,

Are you calling me a fundamentalist?  Or, are you just making a general statement about some fundamentalist out there somewhere?

Secondly, there's a huge difference in flawed theology and preaching a false Gospel. Wouldnt you agree?

Thirdly, and I emphasize, I do celebrate the accomplishments of MLK, and I agree with what Dr. Moore wrote in this post.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross,</p>
<p>Are you calling me a fundamentalist?  Or, are you just making a general statement about some fundamentalist out there somewhere?</p>
<p>Secondly, there&#8217;s a huge difference in flawed theology and preaching a false Gospel. Wouldnt you agree?</p>
<p>Thirdly, and I emphasize, I do celebrate the accomplishments of MLK, and I agree with what Dr. Moore wrote in this post.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Cory D. Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cory D. Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further muddying the waters is that the "progressives" only a generation before the 1950s (and some into that decade as well) were staunch racists who supported eugenics and limited immigration from nations whose traits were not deemed white enough.  See David Southern's "The Progressive Era and Race" and Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism."  Blacks voted as Republicans against the racist policies of Woodrow Wilson's progressive Democrats and only began voting Democrat with the coming of FDR.  Even then, the "black vote" was not solidified in the Democratic Party until LBJ in the 1960s.

I don't vote party lines and am in fact fed up with the two-party system in America.  On this issue, I do warn my Democratic friends who vote that way mainly for racial equality issues to be careful: radical progressives still support eugenics and population control of "undesirables" which have historically referred to poor people and minorities.  See Ruth Bader Ginsburg's interview with NY Times Magazine's Emily Bazelon.

In short, Dr. King leaves a mixed legacy, and if all one does to honor him is vote Democrat and support ACORN or SEIU, I'd say that person has missed the point of a great man's legacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further muddying the waters is that the &#8220;progressives&#8221; only a generation before the 1950s (and some into that decade as well) were staunch racists who supported eugenics and limited immigration from nations whose traits were not deemed white enough.  See David Southern&#8217;s &#8220;The Progressive Era and Race&#8221; and Jonah Goldberg&#8217;s &#8220;Liberal Fascism.&#8221;  Blacks voted as Republicans against the racist policies of Woodrow Wilson&#8217;s progressive Democrats and only began voting Democrat with the coming of FDR.  Even then, the &#8220;black vote&#8221; was not solidified in the Democratic Party until LBJ in the 1960s.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t vote party lines and am in fact fed up with the two-party system in America.  On this issue, I do warn my Democratic friends who vote that way mainly for racial equality issues to be careful: radical progressives still support eugenics and population control of &#8220;undesirables&#8221; which have historically referred to poor people and minorities.  See Ruth Bader Ginsburg&#8217;s interview with NY Times Magazine&#8217;s Emily Bazelon.</p>
<p>In short, Dr. King leaves a mixed legacy, and if all one does to honor him is vote Democrat and support ACORN or SEIU, I&#8217;d say that person has missed the point of a great man&#8217;s legacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And another irony? As many fundamentalists continue to point out, MLK was a profoundly flawed man with in some areas profoundly flawed theology (although not on this issue). Something about 'stones crying out' comes to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another irony? As many fundamentalists continue to point out, MLK was a profoundly flawed man with in some areas profoundly flawed theology (although not on this issue). Something about &#8217;stones crying out&#8217; comes to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: volfan007</title>
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		<dc:creator>volfan007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do want to say something. I was trying not to say it, because I know that some people will accuse me of being a racist, when I'm not.  God knows my heart. 

But, even though I celebrate that racism has been killed in conservative Christianity, and I rejoice in all the good things that MLK did for our country in racial issues; I cannot get beyond his theology.  He was a minister, and he claimded to be a minister of the Gospel.  Yet, I heard him say...on TV...during an interview, that men earned thier own salvation by living for a good cause, or even dying for a good cause...like Jesus did. He preached a works salvation, and he was into liberation theology.

So, I find it very hard to celebrate the man.  I do celebrate the good he did for our country.

BTW, I also have a friend, Ed Campbell, who was a Minister in Philadelphia, MS when something very historic took place.  In fact, his neighbor was one of the men, who murdered the civil rights workers back in that day.  Ed lived thru that, and desegregation.  In fact, he helped the school to transition to "mixing the races."  He had a Deacon threaten to do him bodily harm.  The Deacon, and a few more, threatened to have him fired.  Ed had death threats made on him for the stand he took.  He is a friend and a hero of mine.  He's a man of grit and faith.  He's as conservative as they come, as well.  There's not a liberal bone in his body.  May God give us all the grit and faith of Ed Campbell.

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do want to say something. I was trying not to say it, because I know that some people will accuse me of being a racist, when I&#8217;m not.  God knows my heart. </p>
<p>But, even though I celebrate that racism has been killed in conservative Christianity, and I rejoice in all the good things that MLK did for our country in racial issues; I cannot get beyond his theology.  He was a minister, and he claimded to be a minister of the Gospel.  Yet, I heard him say&#8230;on TV&#8230;during an interview, that men earned thier own salvation by living for a good cause, or even dying for a good cause&#8230;like Jesus did. He preached a works salvation, and he was into liberation theology.</p>
<p>So, I find it very hard to celebrate the man.  I do celebrate the good he did for our country.</p>
<p>BTW, I also have a friend, Ed Campbell, who was a Minister in Philadelphia, MS when something very historic took place.  In fact, his neighbor was one of the men, who murdered the civil rights workers back in that day.  Ed lived thru that, and desegregation.  In fact, he helped the school to transition to &#8220;mixing the races.&#8221;  He had a Deacon threaten to do him bodily harm.  The Deacon, and a few more, threatened to have him fired.  Ed had death threats made on him for the stand he took.  He is a friend and a hero of mine.  He&#8217;s a man of grit and faith.  He&#8217;s as conservative as they come, as well.  There&#8217;s not a liberal bone in his body.  May God give us all the grit and faith of Ed Campbell.</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<title>By: Stacy Darty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacy Darty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Dr Moore for the reminder of that truth! Forgive us Lord when we have had any inkling of Racial Pride in our hearts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Dr Moore for the reminder of that truth! Forgive us Lord when we have had any inkling of Racial Pride in our hearts!</p>
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		<title>By: racial reconciliation and conservative christianity &#171; native pilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>racial reconciliation and conservative christianity &#171; native pilgrim</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: MLK Day&#8230; &#171; UBC Pastor&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>MLK Day&#8230; &#171; UBC Pastor&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MLK&#160;Day&#8230;  January 18, 2010 ubcfayetteville Leave a comment Go to comments    I encourage you to read Dr. Russell Moore&#8217;s blog post today HERE. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Grace</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this article and the truth expressed in it!</description>
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		<title>By: Char-La Fowler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Char-La Fowler</dc:creator>
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		<description>Needed to be said.  Needed to be heard.  Thank you.</description>
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