Comments on: Christ, the Church, and Pat Robertson http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/ By Russell D. Moore. Russell D. Moore serves as the teaching pastor at Highview Baptist Church in Louisville, Ky. In addition, Dr. Moore is the Dean of the School of Theology and Senior Vice President for Academic Administration at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Find sermons and other resources to help Christians engage the culture from a biblical worldview at www.russellmoore.com. Tue, 22 May 2012 20:12:31 +0000 By: Nancy Osborn http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-155535 Nancy Osborn Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:33:50 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-155535 I missed the day you are talking about when Pat Robertson made that comment, but I did see his show later where he wanted to explain why he gave that particular man the advice he gave him. Pat Robertson said that this gentleman was having an affair with someone and was very bitter about GOD and the way his life was. Pat told him that in his case it would be better to divorce his wife and not continue to live in Adultery. He went on to tell that he believes in staying true to your marriage partner for life and that you will do this if you love them and take your vows seriously. The advice he gave to that man was only because that individual was living in sin, and whether than keep doing that, Pat thought he should get a divorce. I hope this helps all who wander why Pat said what he did, being that he is a Christian. Any one who truly loves GOD and their spouse will remain loyal to them no matter what disease or hardship they have to face during their marriage, because they will want to remain true to their vows they made to GOD and their partner! I missed the day you are talking about when Pat Robertson made that comment, but I did see his show later where he wanted to explain why he gave that particular man the advice he gave him. Pat Robertson said that this gentleman was having an affair with someone and was very bitter about GOD and the way his life was. Pat told him that in his case it would be better to divorce his wife and not continue to live in Adultery. He went on to tell that he believes in staying true to your marriage partner for life and that you will do this if you love them and take your vows seriously. The advice he gave to that man was only because that individual was living in sin, and whether than keep doing that, Pat thought he should get a divorce. I hope this helps all who wander why Pat said what he did, being that he is a Christian. Any one who truly loves GOD and their spouse will remain loyal to them no matter what disease or hardship they have to face during their marriage, because they will want to remain true to their vows they made to GOD and their partner!

]]> By: Robertson Remarks on Alzheimer’s Stir Passions - World Bad News : World Bad News http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-154578 Robertson Remarks on Alzheimer’s Stir Passions - World Bad News : World Bad News Thu, 13 Oct 2011 06:39:03 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-154578 [...] of a School of Theology during Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., wrote in a blog post on Thursday. “This is some-more than cruelty. This is a elimination of a gospel of Jesus [...] [...] of a School of Theology during Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., wrote in a blog post on Thursday. “This is some-more than cruelty. This is a elimination of a gospel of Jesus [...]

]]> By: Pat Robertson’s Remarks on Alzheimer’s Stir Passions - World Bad News : World Bad News http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-154536 Pat Robertson’s Remarks on Alzheimer’s Stir Passions - World Bad News : World Bad News Thu, 13 Oct 2011 00:40:05 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-154536 [...] of a School of Theology during a Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., wrote in a blog post on Thursday. “This is some-more than cruelty. This is a elimination of a gospel of Jesus [...] [...] of a School of Theology during a Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., wrote in a blog post on Thursday. “This is some-more than cruelty. This is a elimination of a gospel of Jesus [...]

]]> By: Weekly Wraps (September 26-October 9) « Zoy Sauce Etc http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-154215 Weekly Wraps (September 26-October 9) « Zoy Sauce Etc Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:21:48 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-154215 [...] Christ, the Church, and Pat Robertson (Russell Moore) – Moore blogs on Pat Robertson’s statement on divorcing a wife with [...] [...] Christ, the Church, and Pat Robertson (Russell Moore) – Moore blogs on Pat Robertson’s statement on divorcing a wife with [...]

]]> By: Dementia: Will I still remember the gospel in that dark hour? « Twisted Crown of Thorns ® http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-154131 Dementia: Will I still remember the gospel in that dark hour? « Twisted Crown of Thorns ® Sun, 09 Oct 2011 16:01:21 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-154131 [...] of our population will be heading into a ripe old age.   By now you will have noticed (unless you are called Pat Robertson) that even our churches do have the elderly who are struggling with dementia, these are lovely [...] [...] of our population will be heading into a ripe old age.   By now you will have noticed (unless you are called Pat Robertson) that even our churches do have the elderly who are struggling with dementia, these are lovely [...]

]]> By: T h e o • p h i l o g u e http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-153535 T h e o • p h i l o g u e Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:00:25 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-153535 @Theophilus Dr--If that's how you feel, you should also join the dialogue here: http://theophilogue.wordpress.com/2011/09/29/russel-moore-repudiates-albert-mohlers-theological-triage/ @Theophilus Dr–If that’s how you feel, you should also join the dialogue here: http://theophilogue.wordpress.com/2011/09/29/russel-moore-repudiates-albert-mohlers-theological-triage/

]]> By: Grab bag « Words of Grace http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-153252 Grab bag « Words of Grace Sat, 01 Oct 2011 14:49:11 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-153252 [...] More feedback on the topic of Alzheimer’s and divorce from Joni Eareckson Tada and Russell Moore. [...] [...] More feedback on the topic of Alzheimer’s and divorce from Joni Eareckson Tada and Russell Moore. [...]

]]> By: Back To Divorce: Pat Robertson May Also Have Alzheimer’s « Friday Night Revival http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-153110 Back To Divorce: Pat Robertson May Also Have Alzheimer’s « Friday Night Revival Fri, 30 Sep 2011 04:38:43 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-153110 [...] can also read the rest of Dr. Russell Moore’s objection here. Share this:TwitterFacebookLike this:LikeBe the first to like this [...] [...] can also read the rest of Dr. Russell Moore’s objection here. Share this:TwitterFacebookLike this:LikeBe the first to like this [...]

]]> By: kyle hazen http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-153079 kyle hazen Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:19:17 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-153079 "Jesus tells us he is present in the weak, the vulnerable, the useless. He is there in the least of these (Matt. 25:31-46). " wouldn't you consider Mr. Robertson also a man who is weak, vulnerable, and useless? “Jesus tells us he is present in the weak, the vulnerable, the useless. He is there in the least of these (Matt. 25:31-46). ”

wouldn’t you consider Mr. Robertson also a man who is weak, vulnerable, and useless?

]]> By: David Roberts http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-153060 David Roberts Thu, 29 Sep 2011 16:23:02 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-153060 Hey Rae. Thought I would say hello! @Rae Whitlock, Hey Rae. Thought I would say hello! @Rae Whitlock,

]]> By: Pat Robertson Responds . . . Inadequately | Denny Burk http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-153053 Pat Robertson Responds . . . Inadequately | Denny Burk Thu, 29 Sep 2011 15:18:37 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-153053 [...] Russell Moore penned a scathing rebuke of Robertson’s previous remarks for Christianity Today, and even appeared on CNN to discuss Robertson’s false teaching on marriage. Now that Robertson has spoken again, Moore rightly says that Robertson’s response is inadequate. Moore writes: [...] [...] Russell Moore penned a scathing rebuke of Robertson’s previous remarks for Christianity Today, and even appeared on CNN to discuss Robertson’s false teaching on marriage. Now that Robertson has spoken again, Moore rightly says that Robertson’s response is inadequate. Moore writes: [...]

]]> By: Moore to the Point – Pat Robertson Responds http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-153043 Moore to the Point – Pat Robertson Responds Thu, 29 Sep 2011 13:54:50 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-153043 [...] couple of weeks ago, I wrote about Robertson’s comments on divorce and Alzheimer’s here, and later had the opportunity to speak to the issue on CNN, which you can watch [...] [...] couple of weeks ago, I wrote about Robertson’s comments on divorce and Alzheimer’s here, and later had the opportunity to speak to the issue on CNN, which you can watch [...]

]]> By: Barbara Thayer http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152562 Barbara Thayer Sun, 25 Sep 2011 20:35:37 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152562 Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. My mother died from Alzheimer's disease. I helped to care for her for ten years. I did it gladly even though it was a painful time to watch her slowly slip away. I cannot imagine any Christian ever saying that a person with this disease should be put aside as though they no longer matter in a marriage or otherwise. I loved my mother even more when she was ill. I miss her still, but now she is in heaven...whole and restored before the Lord she loved. Again...thank you for putting this in biblical perspective for all to see. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. My mother died from Alzheimer’s disease. I helped to care for her for ten years. I did it gladly even though it was a painful time to watch her slowly slip away. I cannot imagine any Christian ever saying that a person with this disease should be put aside as though they no longer matter in a marriage or otherwise. I loved my mother even more when she was ill. I miss her still, but now she is in heaven…whole and restored before the Lord she loved. Again…thank you for putting this in biblical perspective for all to see.

]]> By: he’ll never leave us nor forsake us « Publican's Progress http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152512 he’ll never leave us nor forsake us « Publican's Progress Sun, 25 Sep 2011 02:11:13 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152512 [...] are sickening and a flat-out denial of the gospel. To put it bluntly but in much better words, read this. All I can say is “Praise the Lord for our bride-groom who doesn’t leave us when we are [...] [...] are sickening and a flat-out denial of the gospel. To put it bluntly but in much better words, read this. All I can say is “Praise the Lord for our bride-groom who doesn’t leave us when we are [...]

]]> By: Pat Robertson puts Foot in mouth Again - He's Always so Offensive! - Page 6 - City-Data Forum http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152502 Pat Robertson puts Foot in mouth Again - He's Always so Offensive! - Page 6 - City-Data Forum Sat, 24 Sep 2011 22:35:24 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152502 [...] Originally Posted by ScarletWren Alzheimer's is a progressive disease affecting its victims in many different ways. I worked in an Alzheimer's unit in an assisted care facility (as a cna/caregiver) and there were residents in all stages and not all exhibited the same symptoms. Most do get to a point where they live in a fantasy world and don't recognize children or spouses. Some are sweet and gentle and others become very difficult to deal with. There were a few who seemed positively normal until they started talking about their mother or someone visiting them the previous night when everyone was asleep. Some lost their speech, others could carry on conversations. Some are incontinent early in the game, others maintain it for quite a long time, at least for the most part. It was heartbreaking to see new residents come in and they would cry and demand to be taken home. One lady's husband was quite a bit younger and she seemed to know he wasn't there and asked if she could call him periodically. He didn't come to visit often. They can have this disease for a LONG time before they die, or sometimes if they're older at the onset, they might succumb more quickly. I can't judge anyone, for I don't know how I would cope with having a spouse institutionalized at a fairly young age, and realize that they would no longer be the person they were or even know me. It can be quite similar to losing a person to death as the relationship pretty much dies. I know men who have tried to take care of their wife at home, but there comes a time when it is nearly impossible to cope unless you can afford 24/7 caregivers. The disease often causes the person to get up and wander around at night and often turn on stoves, whatever, around the house, not even knowing they are doing that. Usually they end up having to be fed at some point, and then it gets worse from there. I would greatly admire the husband or wife who could cope with that situation for an unknown number of years. Some of the residents who stayed where I worked had been there for over 10 years and were still relatively physically healthy. I would not judge anyone for the course of action they took. How you could marry again though and still financially provide for the affected person, is beyond me. I don't know how you can do it at all, those places are quite costly. Especially if you hope for the person to have adequate care. There is so much brutality and tragedy in the world. I really am glad that I'm not responsible to hold anyone but myself accountable to a certain standard. God bless, Good post Scarlet. I took care of my mother for many years with AD. It was a wonderful experience and I'm always thankful to God that I was able to take care of her. When I read the article below it made me cry. I disagree with Pat Robertson and I think the guy is showing early signs of AD with a statement like that. Moore to the Point – Christ, the Church, and Pat Robertson [...] [...] Originally Posted by ScarletWren Alzheimer’s is a progressive disease affecting its victims in many different ways. I worked in an Alzheimer’s unit in an assisted care facility (as a cna/caregiver) and there were residents in all stages and not all exhibited the same symptoms. Most do get to a point where they live in a fantasy world and don’t recognize children or spouses. Some are sweet and gentle and others become very difficult to deal with. There were a few who seemed positively normal until they started talking about their mother or someone visiting them the previous night when everyone was asleep. Some lost their speech, others could carry on conversations. Some are incontinent early in the game, others maintain it for quite a long time, at least for the most part. It was heartbreaking to see new residents come in and they would cry and demand to be taken home. One lady’s husband was quite a bit younger and she seemed to know he wasn’t there and asked if she could call him periodically. He didn’t come to visit often. They can have this disease for a LONG time before they die, or sometimes if they’re older at the onset, they might succumb more quickly. I can’t judge anyone, for I don’t know how I would cope with having a spouse institutionalized at a fairly young age, and realize that they would no longer be the person they were or even know me. It can be quite similar to losing a person to death as the relationship pretty much dies. I know men who have tried to take care of their wife at home, but there comes a time when it is nearly impossible to cope unless you can afford 24/7 caregivers. The disease often causes the person to get up and wander around at night and often turn on stoves, whatever, around the house, not even knowing they are doing that. Usually they end up having to be fed at some point, and then it gets worse from there. I would greatly admire the husband or wife who could cope with that situation for an unknown number of years. Some of the residents who stayed where I worked had been there for over 10 years and were still relatively physically healthy. I would not judge anyone for the course of action they took. How you could marry again though and still financially provide for the affected person, is beyond me. I don’t know how you can do it at all, those places are quite costly. Especially if you hope for the person to have adequate care. There is so much brutality and tragedy in the world. I really am glad that I’m not responsible to hold anyone but myself accountable to a certain standard. God bless, Good post Scarlet. I took care of my mother for many years with AD. It was a wonderful experience and I’m always thankful to God that I was able to take care of her. When I read the article below it made me cry. I disagree with Pat Robertson and I think the guy is showing early signs of AD with a statement like that. Moore to the Point – Christ, the Church, and Pat Robertson [...]

]]> By: Collect for the Week | Will Cookson's Blog http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152444 Collect for the Week | Will Cookson's Blog Sat, 24 Sep 2011 06:03:17 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152444 [...] Christ, the Church and Pat Robertson - Very moving and powerful rebuttal of Pat Robertson’s view that it is ok to divorce someone with Alzheimer and marry someone else by Russell Moore [...] [...] Christ, the Church and Pat Robertson - Very moving and powerful rebuttal of Pat Robertson’s view that it is ok to divorce someone with Alzheimer and marry someone else by Russell Moore [...]

]]> By: Pat Robertson, Rob Bell, Reformed Art, and the Girlfriend « All those who wander http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152320 Pat Robertson, Rob Bell, Reformed Art, and the Girlfriend « All those who wander Thu, 22 Sep 2011 22:45:46 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152320 [...] Christ, Church and Pat Robertson If you haven’t heard about this controversy yet, Christian talk show host Pat Robertson has stated that it is permissible and even advisable for a husband/wife to divorce a spouse who has Alzheimer’s.  This is Russell Moore’s brillant response, but it’s so much more then just a response to Robertson. Moore mines down into the heart of the gospel and brings up pure gold. So convicting. [...] [...] Christ, Church and Pat Robertson If you haven’t heard about this controversy yet, Christian talk show host Pat Robertson has stated that it is permissible and even advisable for a husband/wife to divorce a spouse who has Alzheimer’s.  This is Russell Moore’s brillant response, but it’s so much more then just a response to Robertson. Moore mines down into the heart of the gospel and brings up pure gold. So convicting. [...]

]]> By: Mark Powell http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152290 Mark Powell Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:14:52 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152290 Dear Dr. Moore, Thank you for posting this excellent essay. I don't know if you knew him, but Dr. William Hendricks of blessed memory was a mentor of mine in my youth. I can't help but think he would also approve. I am an Orthodox Christian having grown up in the Southern Baptist church, which gave me a formation for which I remain grateful. Thank you for your essay. Mark Powell Dear Dr. Moore,
Thank you for posting this excellent essay. I don’t know if you knew him, but Dr. William Hendricks of blessed memory was a mentor of mine in my youth. I can’t help but think he would also approve. I am an Orthodox Christian having grown up in the Southern Baptist church, which gave me a formation for which I remain grateful. Thank you for your essay.
Mark Powell

]]> By: AC Smith http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152287 AC Smith Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:01:17 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152287 Pat Robertson's comments were wrong and unbiblical. Yet, reading the responses to his comments has been disheartening. In general, Christian respondents have been harsh, insulting, pejorative, and uncharitable. It has pained me to find that secular and non-Christian commentators have examined Robertson's words with greater intellectual honesty and fairness than Christians, taking measure of all he said and meant rather than attacking a caricature. It’s shameful when Christians behave worse towards someone who is ostensibly one of our own than we would to people like Christopher Hitchens or Sam Harris. We disagree with Hitchens and Harris, but our disagreement is polite, respectful, and honest to their words. Why does this spirit not also apply to Robertson? Robertson has been making outlandish comments for years. Too often, the secular world holds him up as a leader of the church and paints us, unfairly, with his ideas. Most of us are sick of it. I suspect that this is the underlying reason for the venom and rage that we are directing against him. We’re mad at Robertson and even more mad at the secular media that gives him a megaphone. It’s much easier to lash out against him personally rather than the amorphous “media.” But, are we really saying that Peter’s caution about “gentleness and respect” (1Pe 3:15) only applies to non-Christians? Pat Robertson’s comments were wrong and unbiblical. Yet, reading the responses to his comments has been disheartening. In general, Christian respondents have been harsh, insulting, pejorative, and uncharitable. It has pained me to find that secular and non-Christian commentators have examined Robertson’s words with greater intellectual honesty and fairness than Christians, taking measure of all he said and meant rather than attacking a caricature. It’s shameful when Christians behave worse towards someone who is ostensibly one of our own than we would to people like Christopher Hitchens or Sam Harris. We disagree with Hitchens and Harris, but our disagreement is polite, respectful, and honest to their words. Why does this spirit not also apply to Robertson?

Robertson has been making outlandish comments for years. Too often, the secular world holds him up as a leader of the church and paints us, unfairly, with his ideas. Most of us are sick of it. I suspect that this is the underlying reason for the venom and rage that we are directing against him. We’re mad at Robertson and even more mad at the secular media that gives him a megaphone. It’s much easier to lash out against him personally rather than the amorphous “media.” But, are we really saying that Peter’s caution about “gentleness and respect” (1Pe 3:15) only applies to non-Christians?

]]> By: Margaret Davis http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152279 Margaret Davis Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:09:58 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152279 @Andrew Rice, Followed the link, Robertson's quote is as indefensible as ever. When Slate gives your brand of religion high fives, you should worry. @Andrew Rice,
Followed the link, Robertson’s quote is as indefensible as ever. When Slate gives your brand of religion high fives, you should worry.

]]> By: Jamila Davis http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152278 Jamila Davis Thu, 22 Sep 2011 15:08:19 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152278 This article was wonderful! God bless you This article was wonderful! God bless you

]]> By: Andrew Rice http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152271 Andrew Rice Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:18:41 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152271 @Lanny Faulkner, What word do you like for 'fabricator of lies'? You may be interested in the facts before you accuse your brothers of Heresy. try this, http://www.slate.com/id/2303989/ I could not bear letting you go on in judgement of Mr. Robertson, when what was said about him is NOT EVEN TRUE! God Bless. @Lanny Faulkner,

What word do you like for ‘fabricator of lies’? You may be interested in the facts before you accuse your brothers of Heresy.

try this, http://www.slate.com/id/2303989/

I could not bear letting you go on in judgement of Mr. Robertson, when what was said about him is NOT EVEN TRUE!

God Bless.

]]> By: Andrew Rice http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152269 Andrew Rice Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:11:35 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152269 @Doug Miller, get the facts on the story: http://www.slate.com/id/2303989/ a better evaluation. God Bless! @Doug Miller,

get the facts on the story: http://www.slate.com/id/2303989/

a better evaluation.

God Bless!

]]> By: Andrew Rice http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152268 Andrew Rice Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:51:34 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152268 @Susan Schulte, Robertson did not say this. I am amazed that so many people here and elsewhere do not take the time to inquire about what was actually said. This article is slander! We are so busy shooting our wounded, that we are not taking the time to Love them. The whole thing is really disgusting. Here is an article that has some of the transcripts. http://www.slate.com/id/2303989/ Susan, you are right on track! Good for you...ignore your critics, God is smiling on you, as am I! @Susan Schulte,

Robertson did not say this. I am amazed that so many people here and elsewhere do not take the time to inquire about what was actually said. This article is slander! We are so busy shooting our wounded, that we are not taking the time to Love them. The whole thing is really disgusting. Here is an article that has some of the transcripts.
http://www.slate.com/id/2303989/

Susan, you are right on track! Good for you…ignore your critics, God is smiling on you, as am I!

]]> By: Andrew Rice http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152267 Andrew Rice Thu, 22 Sep 2011 12:44:17 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152267 Mr. Moore. I am very disappointed that this article makes claims that several other articles have, which is that Pat Robertson said something, that he DID NOT SAY. Your article has false and misleading information in it. It should be removed. You have slandered and libeled Robertson, and you owe him an apology. FYI, the man (with the alzheimer's wife) was already in a relationship with another woman, what Robertson said, implied that divorce was better than adultery, and what he said overall was that an Ethicist should be consulted and and that he did not feel comfortable making a judgement here. Read the transcripts, or watch the program, but please don't slander and judge other Christian leaders...I think God can handle the judgement part. http://www.slate.com/id/2303989/ read this...it may help. Mr. Moore.

I am very disappointed that this article makes claims that several other articles have, which is that Pat Robertson said something, that he DID NOT SAY. Your article has false and misleading information in it. It should be removed. You have slandered and libeled Robertson, and you owe him an apology. FYI, the man (with the alzheimer’s wife) was already in a relationship with another woman, what Robertson said, implied that divorce was better than adultery, and what he said overall was that an Ethicist should be consulted and and that he did not feel comfortable making a judgement here. Read the transcripts, or watch the program, but please don’t slander and judge other Christian leaders…I think God can handle the judgement part.

http://www.slate.com/id/2303989/ read this…it may help.

]]> By: Weekly roundup of interesting links « The House of Vines http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152248 Weekly roundup of interesting links « The House of Vines Thu, 22 Sep 2011 03:58:43 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152248 [...] commentator Russell Moore talks about what a dick Pat Robertson is: This week on his television show Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson said a man [...] [...] commentator Russell Moore talks about what a dick Pat Robertson is: This week on his television show Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson said a man [...]

]]> By: Janet http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152247 Janet Thu, 22 Sep 2011 03:45:00 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152247 @Theophilus Dr, I agree. Thank you. Sometimes I wish the moderator would limit the comments to people who've had a mentally ill or severely challenged spouse. It's so easy to throw stones and we Christians excel at it. @Theophilus Dr, I agree. Thank you. Sometimes I wish the moderator would limit the comments to people who’ve had a mentally ill or severely challenged spouse. It’s so easy to throw stones and we Christians excel at it.

]]> By: Janet http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152246 Janet Thu, 22 Sep 2011 03:42:06 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152246 @Robin Mavis, Very well said. Thank you. @Robin Mavis, Very well said. Thank you.

]]> By: Roberto Aranas http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152234 Roberto Aranas Thu, 22 Sep 2011 00:01:23 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152234 @Theophilus Dr, I agree with you. In reality I'm not in the same country with Pat or you. If you have access with Pat then talk to him and show Pat the right path, i.e. Jesus on the way to Calvary. A sacrifice, including marriage. @Theophilus Dr, I agree with you. In reality I’m not in the same country with Pat or you. If you have access with Pat then talk to him and show Pat the right path, i.e. Jesus on the way to Calvary. A sacrifice, including marriage.

]]> By: Roberto Aranas http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152230 Roberto Aranas Wed, 21 Sep 2011 23:12:34 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152230 When I was a teenager, I used to watch 700 club and was blessed. Now that I'm older older, married and heard Pat Robertson said these things is absurd and makes me worry. What if, I will get the Alzhiemer's disease or even worse. What about people who lived in 3rd world country, where there's no healthcare program? Does Pat suggests that husbands can leave her/him aside and get another one because she/he becomes useless (not there anymore)? for rich or poorer, for sickness or health,'till do us part", is still one of the Christian marital values that we have to keep, to separate us from others. When I was a teenager, I used to watch 700 club and was blessed. Now that I’m older older, married and heard Pat Robertson said these things is absurd and makes me worry. What if, I will get the Alzhiemer’s disease or even worse. What about people who lived in 3rd world country, where there’s no healthcare program?
Does Pat suggests that husbands can leave her/him aside and get another one because she/he becomes useless (not there anymore)?

for rich or poorer, for sickness or health,’till do us part”, is still one of the Christian marital values that we have to keep, to separate us from others.

]]> By: Theophilus Dr http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152229 Theophilus Dr Wed, 21 Sep 2011 23:04:08 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152229 @Robin Mavis, Thank you for the insightful comments; they directly address a real problem. Scripture says that Satan can masquerade as angels of light The real power of God can be copied fraudulently by some who build their doctrines around external manifestations more than around Christ. I'm sorry that the body of Christ has not been more faithful in presenting God's real power for you. But, for those of us who claim the name of "Christian," cannot words be a form of "external manifestation?" I have noted on too many Christian-oriented blogs and posts that the people commenting will eventually turn their posts against one another and be rather pointed and nasty about it. Is this an external manifestation of the fruit of the Holy Spirit or out of the flesh? Gal. 2:15, "If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other." What does this say about "Keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace?" Eph. 4:3. What sort of witness is this for people like Robin? Thank you, Robin, for speaking up. "Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit." Gal. 5:25. Robin's point is well-taken. Why doesn't everyone find a way to Facebook on 700 Club or email a message to CBN editors so we can flood Pat Robertson's mailbox with invitations to join the members of the body of Christ in discussion about some of his comments that reflect poorly on the church? I've done this, and I plan to write some more. @Robin Mavis,
Thank you for the insightful comments; they directly address a real problem. Scripture says that Satan can masquerade as angels of light The real power of God can be copied fraudulently by some who build their doctrines around external manifestations more than around Christ. I’m sorry that the body of Christ has not been more faithful in presenting God’s real power for you.

But, for those of us who claim the name of “Christian,” cannot words be a form of “external manifestation?” I have noted on too many Christian-oriented blogs and posts that the people commenting will eventually turn their posts against one another and be rather pointed and nasty about it. Is this an external manifestation of the fruit of the Holy Spirit or out of the flesh? Gal. 2:15, “If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.” What does this say about “Keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace?” Eph. 4:3. What sort of witness is this for people like Robin? Thank you, Robin, for speaking up.

“Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.” Gal. 5:25. Robin’s point is well-taken. Why doesn’t everyone find a way to Facebook on 700 Club or email a message to CBN editors so we can flood Pat Robertson’s mailbox with invitations to join the members of the body of Christ in discussion about some of his comments that reflect poorly on the church? I’ve done this, and I plan to write some more.

]]> By: Robin Mavis http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152222 Robin Mavis Wed, 21 Sep 2011 21:21:01 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152222 I do not identify as a christian, though I was raised in a christian church (LMS), attended a fundamentalist (healings, speaking in tongues, casting out demons, the whole works) church for about a decade. Then I was delivered from that cult. The author states that few christians listen very much or take seriously Pat Robertson. This may true for your community, but I must be honest and tell you that the rest of the nation and in other nations too, who do not identify as christians - we the non believers or the agnostic, or the questioning or what ever you would like to call us, see no other face to christianity but those like Pat Robertson who spew hate, condemnation, boastfulness and plain crazy words. If he is not the true face of christianity, then why do you christians let him have that platform to decieve those who do not know any better? Why do you who are true christians, allow the false teachings to quietly steel your brothers and sisters out of your churches to be brain washed? Sometime you need to step out of your own safe places and take a look from a less biased place as to how the world really does perceive christianity. It's people like Pat Robertson that Ghandi was talking about when he said "I like your Christ. I do not like christians, they are so unlike your christ." Only you all can change who is the voice for your faith. But if you just sit back and do nothing, don't complain that the media or non christians assume this man speaks for you all. I do not identify as a christian, though I was raised in a christian church (LMS), attended a fundamentalist (healings, speaking in tongues, casting out demons, the whole works) church for about a decade. Then I was delivered from that cult.
The author states that few christians listen very much or take seriously Pat Robertson. This may true for your community, but I must be honest and tell you that the rest of the nation and in other nations too, who do not identify as christians - we the non believers or the agnostic, or the questioning or what ever you would like to call us, see no other face to christianity but those like Pat Robertson who spew hate, condemnation, boastfulness and plain crazy words. If he is not the true face of christianity, then why do you christians let him have that platform to decieve those who do not know any better? Why do you who are true christians, allow the false teachings to quietly steel your brothers and sisters out of your churches to be brain washed? Sometime you need to step out of your own safe places and take a look from a less biased place as to how the world really does perceive christianity. It’s people like Pat Robertson that Ghandi was talking about when he said “I like your Christ. I do not like christians, they are so unlike your christ.” Only you all can change who is the voice for your faith. But if you just sit back and do nothing, don’t complain that the media or non christians assume this man speaks for you all.

]]> By: Theophilus Dr http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152208 Theophilus Dr Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:18:13 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152208 Might I suggest a different approach to this question? Only a few responses have actually addressed the problem. Many responses to Dr. Moore's post have been touching and illustrate an application of God's purpose for marriage. Many other responses have been based on whether or not one likes Pat Robertson and his messages over half a century. I certainly would agree that the interpretation people have given to what Pat Robertson said is scripturally wrong. I agree that one can fill in some blanks around Robertson's statement and come up with the interpretation that has generated such a negative response. Several responders have posted a comment that was more conciliatory toward Robertson. Most of these comments have generated, themselves, a response which appeared to ride on the waves of judgment and attack. Very regretful. What would an unbeliever say who read these comments? How about 1 Cor. 14:23? (I hope someone does not say this passage doesn't apply because all the responses have been in English!) What (or who) is being placed on the sacrificial alter here? Do we place Pat Robertson? Do we place marriage? Do we place sympathy for those with dementia (my mother had it for at least 9 years)? Do we place our emotional response? The person placed on the alter before God is ME. Who gets crucified here? Pat Robertson? "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. (Gal. 2:20). I have found that the only time I have a sanctimonious nose to look down at someone else is when I, myself, have climbed off the alter and come down from the cross. Doesn't the scripture address how to handle this? Why say that Pat Robertson doesn't follow the scripture if we don't follow it ourselves? There is a sequence to follow in dealing with a brother over an offense in Matthew 18:15-17 - first I go, then I take others with me, then I bring it before the church, then the church treats him like an unbeliever. It doesn't say the church condemns him. It doesn't say to immediately judge the brother and write him up publicly on the Internet. Pat Robertson should be given the benefit of grace to discuss with him how the interpretation of what he said is unscriptural and damaging to the body of Christ. He should have an opportunity to clarify exactly what he means and to present clear teachings on marriage and the commitment it brings. The process says that I will do this before I will post judgmental comments on this site or any other one. Has anyone who has busted Pat Robertson gone to him first, in any way? Dr. Moore, have you? Aren't we missing an opportunity to "redeem a brother?" "Well, he's not my brother." "There's no way I can do that." "He won't listen, anyway." Aren't all of these just lame excuses to justify one's own poor behavior? Why don't we show Pat Robertson the way the body of Christ handles matters like this? Why don't we show the world that the church uses methods that are a testimony to Christ rather than Christians can throw even bigger rocks than unbelievers can. But now, God has shown us the most excellent way. (1 Cor.12:31). Let's use it. Might I suggest a different approach to this question?

Only a few responses have actually addressed the problem. Many responses to Dr. Moore’s post have been touching and illustrate an application of God’s purpose for marriage. Many other responses have been based on whether or not one likes Pat Robertson and his messages over half a century. I certainly would agree that the interpretation people have given to what Pat Robertson said is scripturally wrong. I agree that one can fill in some blanks around Robertson’s statement and come up with the interpretation that has generated such a negative response. Several responders have posted a comment that was more conciliatory toward Robertson. Most of these comments have generated, themselves, a response which appeared to ride on the waves of judgment and attack. Very regretful. What would an unbeliever say who read these comments? How about 1 Cor. 14:23? (I hope someone does not say this passage doesn’t apply because all the responses have been in English!)

What (or who) is being placed on the sacrificial alter here? Do we place Pat Robertson? Do we place marriage? Do we place sympathy for those with dementia (my mother had it for at least 9 years)? Do we place our emotional response? The person placed on the alter before God is ME.

Who gets crucified here? Pat Robertson? “I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. (Gal. 2:20). I have found that the only time I have a sanctimonious nose to look down at someone else is when I, myself, have climbed off the alter and come down from the cross.

Doesn’t the scripture address how to handle this? Why say that Pat Robertson doesn’t follow the scripture if we don’t follow it ourselves? There is a sequence to follow in dealing with a brother over an offense in Matthew 18:15-17 - first I go, then I take others with me, then I bring it before the church, then the church treats him like an unbeliever. It doesn’t say the church condemns him. It doesn’t say to immediately judge the brother and write him up publicly on the Internet.
Pat Robertson should be given the benefit of grace to discuss with him how the interpretation of what he said is unscriptural and damaging to the body of Christ. He should have an opportunity to clarify exactly what he means and to present clear teachings on marriage and the commitment it brings. The process says that I will do this before I will post judgmental comments on this site or any other one. Has anyone who has busted Pat Robertson gone to him first, in any way? Dr. Moore, have you? Aren’t we missing an opportunity to “redeem a brother?”

“Well, he’s not my brother.” “There’s no way I can do that.” “He won’t listen, anyway.” Aren’t all of these just lame excuses to justify one’s own poor behavior?

Why don’t we show Pat Robertson the way the body of Christ handles matters like this? Why don’t we show the world that the church uses methods that are a testimony to Christ rather than Christians can throw even bigger rocks than unbelievers can.

But now, God has shown us the most excellent way. (1 Cor.12:31). Let’s use it.

]]> By: What Memes Mean: Pat Robertson And The Danger (And Decline) Of Demagogues | Christ and Pop Culture http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152195 What Memes Mean: Pat Robertson And The Danger (And Decline) Of Demagogues | Christ and Pop Culture Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:46:05 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152195 [...] close to home.  I’d prefer not to analyze the issue of divorce and Alzheimer’s here, no doubt others have covered it much better than I am able.  Suffice it to say: I’m not OK with [...] [...] close to home.  I’d prefer not to analyze the issue of divorce and Alzheimer’s here, no doubt others have covered it much better than I am able.  Suffice it to say: I’m not OK with [...]

]]> By: Until Death Do Us Part | Gospel Renewal http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152194 Until Death Do Us Part | Gospel Renewal Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:35:56 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152194 [...] In response to Robertson, Dr. Russell Moore wrote a clear, well-reasoned article on his blog.  Moore’s main point is that the marriage covenant is “in sickness and in health,” and that according to Ephesians 5, marriage is more than a contract between two people – it is a picture of Jesus’ love for the church.  If we tell people that they can get out of marriage when their needs are no longer being met, then we are teaching them that Jesus doesn’t stay committed to us when we fail or let Him down.  Read Dr. Moore’s article on his blog. [...] [...] In response to Robertson, Dr. Russell Moore wrote a clear, well-reasoned article on his blog.  Moore’s main point is that the marriage covenant is “in sickness and in health,” and that according to Ephesians 5, marriage is more than a contract between two people – it is a picture of Jesus’ love for the church.  If we tell people that they can get out of marriage when their needs are no longer being met, then we are teaching them that Jesus doesn’t stay committed to us when we fail or let Him down.  Read Dr. Moore’s article on his blog. [...]

]]> By: Joyce Kronemeyer http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152161 Joyce Kronemeyer Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:30:31 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152161 As the daughter of a dear Mom who just passed away two weeks ago after having Alzheimer's for over 7 years, and who has watched my own Dad and many other spouses lovingly care for their loved ones in a Memory Care Unit, I am appaled my what Robertson has said. I am comforted in what Mppre has written. What Jesus has modeled for the church commands our respect, love, obedience and emulation. As the daughter of a dear Mom who just passed away two weeks ago after having Alzheimer’s for over 7 years, and who has watched my own Dad and many other spouses lovingly care for their loved ones in a Memory Care Unit, I am appaled my what Robertson has said. I am comforted in what Mppre has written. What Jesus has modeled for the church commands our respect, love, obedience and emulation.

]]> By: Philomena De Salvatore http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152139 Philomena De Salvatore Tue, 20 Sep 2011 20:26:14 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152139 Jesus tells us he is present in the weak, the vulnerable, the useless. He is there in the least of these (Matt. 25:31-46). Somewhere out there right now, a man is wiping the drool from an 85 year-old woman who flinches because she think he’s a stranger. No television cameras are around. No politicians are seeking a meeting with them. But the gospel is there. Jesus is there. AMEN...MY MOM CARED FOR MY DAD FOR YEARS. AS A MATTER OF FACT SHE LITERALLY "GAVE HER LIFE" FOR THE ONE SHE LOVED AND WAS COVENANTED TO FOR 54 YEARS OF MARRIAGE. SHE WENT HOME TO THE LORD ON JULY 27, 2011. SOMEDAY SOON HE WILL JOIN HER AND I'M SURE EXPRESS HIS THANKS FOR ALL SHE DID. Jesus tells us he is present in the weak, the vulnerable, the useless. He is there in the least of these (Matt. 25:31-46). Somewhere out there right now, a man is wiping the drool from an 85 year-old woman who flinches because she think he’s a stranger. No television cameras are around. No politicians are seeking a meeting with them.
But the gospel is there. Jesus is there.

AMEN…MY MOM CARED FOR MY DAD FOR YEARS. AS A MATTER OF FACT SHE LITERALLY “GAVE HER LIFE” FOR THE ONE SHE LOVED AND WAS COVENANTED TO FOR 54 YEARS OF MARRIAGE. SHE WENT HOME TO THE LORD ON JULY 27, 2011. SOMEDAY SOON HE WILL JOIN HER AND I’M SURE EXPRESS HIS THANKS FOR ALL SHE DID.

]]> By: Ken Sweers http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152117 Ken Sweers Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:50:17 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152117 @Susan Schulte, How ironic - talk about the pot calling the kettle black! @Susan Schulte,
How ironic - talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

]]> By: kenny gallagher http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152115 kenny gallagher Tue, 20 Sep 2011 14:44:19 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152115 my name is kenny, i am 53, and i love the Lord. my wife is 32, and is a strong woman of faith. my father is 82, and in the beginningstages of alz. his older sister died at 81 after 10 years in an assisted living facility, not knowing any of us for that length of time. his younger brother is 78 and has now been in a home for 3 yrs with the same afliction. i worry. not the least of my worries, because i love my wife so much, is that i would not care to place a burden on her like so many people have written in about. 10 years of mental anguish in watching the person you love deteriorate and possibly go with it the memories of a life together in Christ. pat robertson is an idiot, pretty much has always been one [ sorry Lord ], but the issue is not black and white, there are God's children involved, and in the end we are all responsible for our own salvation. just sayin'. in Christ, kenny ps this is not hypothetical my name is kenny, i am 53, and i love the Lord. my wife is 32, and is a strong woman of faith. my father is 82, and in the beginningstages of alz. his older sister died at 81 after 10 years in an assisted living facility, not knowing any of us for that length of time. his younger brother is 78 and has now been in a home for 3 yrs with the same afliction. i worry. not the least of my worries, because i love my wife so much, is that i would not care to place a burden on her like so many people have written in about. 10 years of mental anguish in watching the person you love deteriorate and possibly go with it the memories of a life together in Christ. pat robertson is an idiot, pretty much has always been one [ sorry Lord ], but the issue is not black and white, there are God’s children involved, and in the end we are all responsible for our own salvation. just sayin’.

in Christ,
kenny

ps this is not hypothetical

]]> By: Maggie http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152110 Maggie Tue, 20 Sep 2011 13:19:46 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152110 One of the clearest witnesses of the Gospel was the way my Mom-mom took care of my Pop-pop as he deteriorated from dementia. Thank you for writing this. One of the clearest witnesses of the Gospel was the way my Mom-mom took care of my Pop-pop as he deteriorated from dementia. Thank you for writing this.

]]> By: Turn off CBN and rent The Notebook « Reel Thinking http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152102 Turn off CBN and rent The Notebook « Reel Thinking Tue, 20 Sep 2011 11:29:41 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152102 [...] wrote a great response to Pat Robertson’s comments in a recent blog post.  Check it out here.) Share this:Like this:LikeBe the first to like this [...] [...] wrote a great response to Pat Robertson’s comments in a recent blog post.  Check it out here.) Share this:Like this:LikeBe the first to like this [...]

]]> By: Wayne Perkins http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152085 Wayne Perkins Tue, 20 Sep 2011 07:36:14 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152085 Thank you from someone in New Zealand, who just read your article, who really enjoyed it, who really agreed with it, who like you has been saved by grace, who thinks that the greatest in heaven will be the unknowns of earth, who thinks that like the women with the two copper coins the man wiping the drool may be giving more than Bill Gates, who knows that the only good in himself is from God, who knows that he is not a fit man to judge anyone, who thinks that we should get on with feeding the hungry, who now after 40 years finally gets that he should love God with all his might and love his neighbour and forget what I think or feel about it, who knows that his pride needs no encouragment and who knows that when he gets to heaven it will be because Jesus died for him, from someone who quite frankly is blown away by GRACE Thank you from someone in New Zealand, who just read your article, who really enjoyed it, who really agreed with it, who like you has been saved by grace, who thinks that the greatest in heaven will be the unknowns of earth, who thinks that like the women with the two copper coins the man wiping the drool may be giving more than Bill Gates, who knows that the only good in himself is from God, who knows that he is not a fit man to judge anyone, who thinks that we should get on with feeding the hungry, who now after 40 years finally gets that he should love God with all his might and love his neighbour and forget what I think or feel about it, who knows that his pride needs no encouragment and who knows that when he gets to heaven it will be because Jesus died for him, from someone who quite frankly is blown away by GRACE

]]> By: Barb http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152071 Barb Tue, 20 Sep 2011 02:58:30 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152071 @Chris Faddis, Your story really touches my heart. I follow neither Robertson nor Moore, but followed a link to this page on my niece's facebook. I become disheartened with all of the splintered bickering, which has contributed to my daughter-in-law walking away from the faith at this point. I commend the positive comments. I am a Christian and I believe in the sanctity and commitment to marriage as an example of Christ's love and commitment to His church/bride. I married my best friend when I was 19 and currently have been married 37 years. Is it always bliss? Are we always madly in love, day in and day out? No. We don't always agree or get along on everything. But we are commanded to love- that implies that love is a choice, not a feeling. We believe that LOVE is a verb, not a noun- that is to say, it is a CHOICE to ACT in a certain way, regardless of how one FEELS. When we have chosen to obediently act in love through the difficult times, we have found that God always blesses us with the return also of the loving feelings. I watched my father-in-law care for his bride of over 50 years through 21 years of aggressive, painful, crippling rheumatoid arthritis. He considered it an HONOR to care for the one who had loved and sacrificed for him and his ministries. If our lives take a similar path, I pray for God 's grace to always love, honor, respect, protect, and care for my best friend to the end, as he has always done for me. Thank you for your testimony of Christ's love and commitment in the very difficult circumstances of your young marriage! @Chris Faddis, Your story really touches my heart. I follow neither Robertson nor Moore, but followed a link to this page on my niece’s facebook. I become disheartened with all of the splintered bickering, which has contributed to my daughter-in-law walking away from the faith at this point. I commend the positive comments. I am a Christian and I believe in the sanctity and commitment to marriage as an example of Christ’s love and commitment to His church/bride. I married my best friend when I was 19 and currently have been married 37 years. Is it always bliss? Are we always madly in love, day in and day out? No. We don’t always agree or get along on everything. But we are commanded to love- that implies that love is a choice, not a feeling. We believe that LOVE is a verb, not a noun- that is to say, it is a CHOICE to ACT in a certain way, regardless of how one FEELS. When we have chosen to obediently act in love through the difficult times, we have found that God always blesses us with the return also of the loving feelings. I watched my father-in-law care for his bride of over 50 years through 21 years of aggressive, painful, crippling rheumatoid arthritis. He considered it an HONOR to care for the one who had loved and sacrificed for him and his ministries. If our lives take a similar path, I pray for God ’s grace to always love, honor, respect, protect, and care for my best friend to the end, as he has always done for me. Thank you for your testimony of Christ’s love and commitment in the very difficult circumstances of your young marriage!

]]> By: Susan Schulte http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152054 Susan Schulte Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:56:50 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152054 Did you actually watch the show with Pat Robertson saying those remarks ? If so.....I'm curious as to why you didn't include the actual footage so we could also hear exactly what Robertson said.....as well as the context in which it was said. I agree with you that just because someone is ordained as a Preacher.....whether he/she has a TV show or is the Pastor at the church that we attend.....we don't necessarily see Jesus through that person's actions or hear Jesus' true words of the Gospel. If Robertson did indeed say that about a spouse being Biblically released from their spouse who has Alzheimer's Disease.....then yes.....I do agree that he is wrong. But have you forgotten that it's not your place or mine to judge Pat Robertson ? Have you gone to Robertson and discussed your concerns about what he has said ? I doubt it. So when you take the time and energy to blast him for his beliefs.....whether they are twisted or not.....that no doubt delights Satan. And it makes you appear that you feel you are superior in your Christian journey and have the right to 'enlighten' people to Robertson's beliefs so as to belittle him. He's a brother in Christ. Not a target for you to mock. Wouldn't your time be better spent blogging about the gift of forgiveness and eternal life ? That would be building up the Kingdom of Christ for His glory.....rather than tearing it down little by little and pleasing Satan. Did you actually watch the show with Pat Robertson saying those remarks ? If so…..I’m curious as to why you didn’t include the actual footage so we could also hear exactly what Robertson said…..as well as the context in which it was said.
I agree with you that just because someone is ordained as a Preacher…..whether he/she has a TV show or is the Pastor at the church that we attend…..we don’t necessarily see Jesus through that person’s actions or hear Jesus’ true words of the Gospel.
If Robertson did indeed say that about a spouse being Biblically released from their spouse who has Alzheimer’s Disease…..then yes…..I do agree that he is wrong.
But have you forgotten that it’s not your place or mine to judge Pat Robertson ?
Have you gone to Robertson and discussed your concerns about what he has said ? I doubt it.
So when you take the time and energy to blast him for his beliefs…..whether they are twisted or not…..that no doubt delights Satan.
And it makes you appear that you feel you are superior in your Christian journey and have the right to ‘enlighten’ people to Robertson’s beliefs so as to belittle him.
He’s a brother in Christ. Not a target for you to mock.
Wouldn’t your time be better spent blogging about the gift of forgiveness and eternal life ?
That would be building up the Kingdom of Christ for His glory…..rather than tearing it down little by little and pleasing Satan.

]]> By: Enough Already « ChrMoosejaw's Musings http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152050 Enough Already « ChrMoosejaw's Musings Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:27:09 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152050 [...] Enough Already Posted: September 15, 2011 by moosejaw in Uncategorized 0 via russellmoore.com [...] [...] Enough Already Posted: September 15, 2011 by moosejaw in Uncategorized 0 via russellmoore.com [...]

]]> By: A Response to Robertson « Chuck Mullis http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152047 A Response to Robertson « Chuck Mullis Mon, 19 Sep 2011 20:13:14 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152047 [...] sharing the evangelical viewpoint of marriage. He also has an article he published on the subject here. LD_AddCustomAttr("AdOpt", "1"); LD_AddCustomAttr("Origin", "other"); [...] [...] sharing the evangelical viewpoint of marriage. He also has an article he published on the subject here. LD_AddCustomAttr(”AdOpt”, “1″); LD_AddCustomAttr(”Origin”, “other”); [...]

]]> By: Pat Robertson Advocates Divorce when Spouse has Alzheimers :: Grace Fellowship of South Forsyth http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152043 Pat Robertson Advocates Divorce when Spouse has Alzheimers :: Grace Fellowship of South Forsyth Mon, 19 Sep 2011 19:51:54 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152043 [...] Christianity Today article on Pat Robertson’s comment Living by Vows article on Oct. 8, 1990 featuring the commitment of marriage between Robertson and Muriel McQuilkin. Muriel’s Blessing article on Feb. 5, 1996 focusing on Robertson marveling at the mystery of love between himself and his wife who has Alzheimers. The Gradual Grief of Alzheimers, an interview with Robertson McQuilkin, Feb. 1, 2004 Dr. Russell Moore, Dean of the School of Theology and Senior Vice-President for Academic Administrat... [...] [...] Christianity Today article on Pat Robertson’s comment Living by Vows article on Oct. 8, 1990 featuring the commitment of marriage between Robertson and Muriel McQuilkin. Muriel’s Blessing article on Feb. 5, 1996 focusing on Robertson marveling at the mystery of love between himself and his wife who has Alzheimers. The Gradual Grief of Alzheimers, an interview with Robertson McQuilkin, Feb. 1, 2004 Dr. Russell Moore, Dean of the School of Theology and Senior Vice-President for Academic Administrat… [...]

]]> By: Nicole McComas http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152034 Nicole McComas Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:46:06 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152034 I have to say, this post really struck a chord with me. Alzheimer's is pretty prevalent in my family. On my mother's side, her mother and all of her mother's siblings have had or currently have it, as did their father. My father's father was just diagnosed with Alzheimer's as well, and my grandmother is the one who takes care of him. They've been married for over 60 years, and even though it's incredibly difficult for her, she would never dream of leaving Papaw just because their relationship is "one-sided" now. I can't imagine anyone condoning this. Yes, it's probably the cruelest disease to those who have to play the part of caregiver. It drains you in every possible way and exhausts you from sunup to sundown--but the last time I checked, the marriage vows state "for better or worse." Thanks so much for your stand on this. I have to say, this post really struck a chord with me. Alzheimer’s is pretty prevalent in my family. On my mother’s side, her mother and all of her mother’s siblings have had or currently have it, as did their father. My father’s father was just diagnosed with Alzheimer’s as well, and my grandmother is the one who takes care of him. They’ve been married for over 60 years, and even though it’s incredibly difficult for her, she would never dream of leaving Papaw just because their relationship is “one-sided” now. I can’t imagine anyone condoning this. Yes, it’s probably the cruelest disease to those who have to play the part of caregiver. It drains you in every possible way and exhausts you from sunup to sundown–but the last time I checked, the marriage vows state “for better or worse.” Thanks so much for your stand on this.

]]> By: “Christ, the Church, and Pat Robertson:” A Response By Russell Moore « new hope fellowship http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152010 “Christ, the Church, and Pat Robertson:” A Response By Russell Moore « new hope fellowship Mon, 19 Sep 2011 13:33:08 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152010 [...] of the School of Theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, responded two days later with this blog entry / response, saying, in [...] [...] of the School of Theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, responded two days later with this blog entry / response, saying, in [...]

]]> By: Monday Morning Worthwhile Reads (9/19/11) « The Recovering Pharisee http://www.russellmoore.com/2011/09/15/christ-the-church-and-pat-robertson/#comment-152008 Monday Morning Worthwhile Reads (9/19/11) « The Recovering Pharisee Mon, 19 Sep 2011 12:59:50 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=7438#comment-152008 [...] Christ, the Church, and Pat Robertson (by Russell Moore) A woman or a man with Alzheimer’s can’t do anything for you. There’s no romance, no sex, no partnership, not even companionship. That’s just the point. Because marriage is a Christ/church icon, a man loves his wife as his own flesh. He cannot sever her off from him simply because she isn’t “useful” anymore. [...] [...] Christ, the Church, and Pat Robertson (by Russell Moore) A woman or a man with Alzheimer’s can’t do anything for you. There’s no romance, no sex, no partnership, not even companionship. That’s just the point. Because marriage is a Christ/church icon, a man loves his wife as his own flesh. He cannot sever her off from him simply because she isn’t “useful” anymore. [...]

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