Comments on: Louie Giglio and the New State Church http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/ By Russell D. Moore. Russell D. Moore serves as the teaching pastor at Highview Baptist Church in Louisville, Ky. In addition, Dr. Moore is the Dean of the School of Theology and Senior Vice President for Academic Administration at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Find sermons and other resources to help Christians engage the culture from a biblical worldview at www.russellmoore.com. Fri, 24 May 2013 21:54:01 +0000 By: Nathan http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-242647 Nathan Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:55:27 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-242647 @Paul P, God can do anything with anybody. And there is a difference between heterosexual lust and homosexuality. Heterosexual lust can exist within the confines of a biblical marriage relationship and be expressed through their sexuality and still be pleasing to God. Homosexuality, in all of its forms, is sinful. Obviously, the general idea that homosexuality separates one from God just like any other sin is indeed correct and we should always broach any subject with love and humility, but just like those other sins it necessitates repentance in order to enter into communion with the Holy One. Homosexuality is sinful, thus says the Lord. @Paul P, God can do anything with anybody. And there is a difference between heterosexual lust and homosexuality. Heterosexual lust can exist within the confines of a biblical marriage relationship and be expressed through their sexuality and still be pleasing to God. Homosexuality, in all of its forms, is sinful. Obviously, the general idea that homosexuality separates one from God just like any other sin is indeed correct and we should always broach any subject with love and humility, but just like those other sins it necessitates repentance in order to enter into communion with the Holy One. Homosexuality is sinful, thus says the Lord.

]]> By: The Bible, Bigotry, and Bullshit | JeremyBarger.com http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-238579 The Bible, Bigotry, and Bullshit | JeremyBarger.com Mon, 28 Jan 2013 00:59:51 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-238579 [...] now living in an age of “Moral McCarthyism”. Russell Moore took it a step further and declared that America now has a “de facto established state church”. John Piper claimed that [...] [...] now living in an age of “Moral McCarthyism”. Russell Moore took it a step further and declared that America now has a “de facto established state church”. John Piper claimed that [...]

]]> By: Better Late Than Never | http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-237424 Better Late Than Never | Thu, 24 Jan 2013 03:08:52 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-237424 [...] place *t* with 2/3 votes - Moore To The Point –Louie Giglio and the New State Church   submitted by Rhymes With [...] [...] place *t* with 2/3 votes - Moore To The Point –Louie Giglio and the New State Church   submitted by Rhymes With [...]

]]> By: Is This the End of “Evangelicalism”? - SKYEBOX http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-236665 Is This the End of “Evangelicalism”? - SKYEBOX Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:43:15 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-236665 [...] leaders was swift and severe. Many said Giglio’s removal was a violation of his religious liberty.Russel Moore said, “When it is now impossible for one who holds to the catholic Christian view of marriage and [...] [...] leaders was swift and severe. Many said Giglio’s removal was a violation of his religious liberty.Russel Moore said, “When it is now impossible for one who holds to the catholic Christian view of marriage and [...]

]]> By: The Council Has Spoken!! This Week’s Watcher’s Council Results » Virginia Right! http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-235942 The Council Has Spoken!! This Week’s Watcher’s Council Results » Virginia Right! Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:19:17 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-235942 [...] place *t* with 2/3 votes - Moore To The Point –Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes With [...] [...] place *t* with 2/3 votes - Moore To The Point –Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes With [...]

]]> By: MD http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-235653 MD Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:16:47 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-235653 “There is nothing so offensive to an established church than the gospel of Jesus Christ.” - Revolutionary-Era Baptist Minister. Ron Coffer Jr. “There is nothing so offensive to an established church than the gospel of Jesus Christ.” - Revolutionary-Era Baptist Minister.
Ron Coffer Jr.

]]> By: Bookworm Room » Watcher’s Council winners for January 18, 2013 http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-235641 Bookworm Room » Watcher’s Council winners for January 18, 2013 Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:23:33 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-235641 [...] place *t* with 2/3 votes -Moore To The Point –Louie Giglio and the New State Church   submitted by Rhymes With [...] [...] place *t* with 2/3 votes -Moore To The Point –Louie Giglio and the New State Church   submitted by Rhymes With [...]

]]> By: Links I Like | My World http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-235175 Links I Like | My World Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:01:25 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-235175 [...] Russell Moore on Louie Giglio and the New State Church. [...] [...] Russell Moore on Louie Giglio and the New State Church. [...]

]]> By: GayPatriot » Watcher of Weasels Weekly Winners 01/18/13 http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-235157 GayPatriot » Watcher of Weasels Weekly Winners 01/18/13 Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:44:21 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-235157 [...] place *t* with 2/3 votes - Moore To The Point –Louie Giglio and the New State Church   submitted by Rhymes With [...] [...] place *t* with 2/3 votes - Moore To The Point –Louie Giglio and the New State Church   submitted by Rhymes With [...]

]]> By: Richard Nogen http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-235133 Richard Nogen Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:37:32 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-235133 The homosexual community is a powerful but small political powerhouse that needs to be kept in perspective. Only about 5% of this nation is homosexual and yet they expect 95% to conform to their sexual deviancy. The correct response is to, "Just say no.", and begin to study these people. Few of them are happy and many of them show other signs of personal neglect such as cutting and attempts at taking their own lives. These people need and want help. Nobody wants to live as an outcast and in contradtiction from the rest. The homosexual community is a powerful but small political powerhouse that needs to be kept in perspective. Only about 5% of this nation is homosexual and yet they expect 95% to conform to their sexual deviancy.

The correct response is to, “Just say no.”, and begin to study these people. Few of them are happy and many of them show other signs of personal neglect such as cutting and attempts at taking their own lives. These people need and want help. Nobody wants to live as an outcast and in contradtiction from the rest.

]]> By: The Giglio Quandary: Are “we” Still Part of the “We” in “We the People?” http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-235022 The Giglio Quandary: Are “we” Still Part of the “We” in “We the People?” Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:00:27 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-235022 [...] Opinions abound. Scot McKnight suggests that to sit on the platform is to effectively demonstrate one’s unwavering support of the prevailing political party and that a religious leader has no business there. Al Mohler wants to make the moment all about homosexuality and suggests that one’s position on homosexuality now forms the litmus test of a new “moral McCarthyism.” Russell Moore suggests the Giglio quandary confirms the reality of a state church which has become hostile to the established norms of Christian orthodoxy. He offers a chilling warning: [...] [...] Opinions abound. Scot McKnight suggests that to sit on the platform is to effectively demonstrate one’s unwavering support of the prevailing political party and that a religious leader has no business there. Al Mohler wants to make the moment all about homosexuality and suggests that one’s position on homosexuality now forms the litmus test of a new “moral McCarthyism.” Russell Moore suggests the Giglio quandary confirms the reality of a state church which has become hostile to the established norms of Christian orthodoxy. He offers a chilling warning: [...]

]]> By: The Council Has Spoken!! This Week’s Watcher’s Council Results 01.18.13 | askmarion http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-234890 The Council Has Spoken!! This Week’s Watcher’s Council Results 01.18.13 | askmarion Sat, 19 Jan 2013 00:18:37 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-234890 [...] place *t* with 2/3 votes - Moore To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes With [...] [...] place *t* with 2/3 votes - Moore To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes With [...]

]]> By: Blacklisting Biblical Truth: Pastor Louie Giglio’s Ouster from Inauguration | http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-234866 Blacklisting Biblical Truth: Pastor Louie Giglio’s Ouster from Inauguration | Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:37:24 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-234866 [...] The blogosphere erupted with commentary on the issue.  Russell Moore posted on his blog: [...] [...] The blogosphere erupted with commentary on the issue.  Russell Moore posted on his blog: [...]

]]> By: TRP Wins This Week’s Watcher’s Council Results! | therightplanet.com http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-234757 TRP Wins This Week’s Watcher’s Council Results! | therightplanet.com Fri, 18 Jan 2013 14:01:46 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-234757 [...] place *t* with 2/3 votes - Moore To The Point –Louie Giglio and the New State Church   submitted by Rhymes With [...] [...] place *t* with 2/3 votes - Moore To The Point –Louie Giglio and the New State Church   submitted by Rhymes With [...]

]]> By: Weekly Links (1/18/2013) | The Beacon http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-234688 Weekly Links (1/18/2013) | The Beacon Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:09:13 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-234688 [...] numer­ous arti­cles posted by var­i­ous blog­gers, I point you to a few: Albert Mohler’s, Russell Moore’s, and Sam [...] [...] numer­ous arti­cles posted by var­i­ous blog­gers, I point you to a few: Albert Mohler’s, Russell Moore’s, and Sam [...]

]]> By: Weekly Watcher Offerings | http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-234561 Weekly Watcher Offerings | Fri, 18 Jan 2013 02:45:55 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-234561 [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...] [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...]

]]> By: Bookworm Room » Watcher’s Council submissions for January 17, 2012 http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-234519 Bookworm Room » Watcher’s Council submissions for January 17, 2012 Fri, 18 Jan 2013 01:25:43 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-234519 [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...] [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...]

]]> By: Watcher’s Council Nominations – Sharpshooter’s Edition » Virginia Right! http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-234507 Watcher’s Council Nominations – Sharpshooter’s Edition » Virginia Right! Fri, 18 Jan 2013 00:24:17 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-234507 [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...] [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...]

]]> By: Jo Bob Pastor http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-234365 Jo Bob Pastor Thu, 17 Jan 2013 17:34:37 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-234365 I'm the pastor of a rural church in the heart of Dixie. We have a situation of a member that is in a very open homosexual relationship. She is also the daughter of a deacon. When I approached her about this, she told me she was not ready to get right with God and was fine with her lifestyle choice. She continued to serve in the church with children, youth and teaching Sunday school. Long story short, even though most of our deacons stood up to address this issue, we got raked over the coals by the power players in the church for even attempting to address this issue with biblical parameters. But not only by the power players in the church but also the DOM, and former interim pastor, and other pastors in SBC life. There solutions we basically to "let God deal with it. We should not try to take a biblical approach to her reconciliation." The moral is this: It's easy to point the finger at the mega churches the urban centers of this country for being soft on sin, but the real problem is biblical stupidity and humanistic tendencies coupled with unbelief that will eventually, for all practical purposes, kill the SBC. We are pastoring those who died in the wilderness, my prayer is that God will protect and raise up a new generation of His children that will not be afraid nor blind, and that they will stand on His Word no matter what may come. I’m the pastor of a rural church in the heart of Dixie. We have a situation of a member that is in a very open homosexual relationship. She is also the daughter of a deacon. When I approached her about this, she told me she was not ready to get right with God and was fine with her lifestyle choice. She continued to serve in the church with children, youth and teaching Sunday school.

Long story short, even though most of our deacons stood up to address this issue, we got raked over the coals by the power players in the church for even attempting to address this issue with biblical parameters. But not only by the power players in the church but also the DOM, and former interim pastor, and other pastors in SBC life. There solutions we basically to “let God deal with it. We should not try to take a biblical approach to her reconciliation.”

The moral is this: It’s easy to point the finger at the mega churches the urban centers of this country for being soft on sin, but the real problem is biblical stupidity and humanistic tendencies coupled with unbelief that will eventually, for all practical purposes, kill the SBC.

We are pastoring those who died in the wilderness, my prayer is that God will protect and raise up a new generation of His children that will not be afraid nor blind, and that they will stand on His Word no matter what may come.

]]> By: Mark Applegate http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-234333 Mark Applegate Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:57:38 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-234333 Thank you for such a thoughtful post. It is (past) time to refocus on evangelism and personal sanctification. Thank you for such a thoughtful post. It is (past) time to refocus on evangelism and personal sanctification.

]]> By: Louie Giglio Inauguration, Antigay & Homosexuality (Links) http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-234184 Louie Giglio Inauguration, Antigay & Homosexuality (Links) Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:04:13 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-234184 [...] From Russell Moore: Louie Giglio and the New State Church [...] [...] From Russell Moore: Louie Giglio and the New State Church [...]

]]> By: Do You Now or Have You Ever Believed that Homosexuality Is a Sin? http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-234037 Do You Now or Have You Ever Believed that Homosexuality Is a Sin? Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:07:40 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-234037 [...] goes on, and I encourage you to read his entire piece on this subject. But I think you get the picture. To even hint that you ever have believed or held [...] [...] goes on, and I encourage you to read his entire piece on this subject. But I think you get the picture. To even hint that you ever have believed or held [...]

]]> By: GayPatriot » Watcher of Weasels Nominations — Mid-January 2013 http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-234008 GayPatriot » Watcher of Weasels Nominations — Mid-January 2013 Thu, 17 Jan 2013 02:58:38 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-234008 [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...] [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...]

]]> By: Observing the Interweb: Old Testament Heaven?, Good News for Gay People?, and the Impact of Louie Giglio not Praying | Unoriginal Observations http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-233905 Observing the Interweb: Old Testament Heaven?, Good News for Gay People?, and the Impact of Louie Giglio not Praying | Unoriginal Observations Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:41:42 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-233905 [...] view on homosexuality. Then the Christian blogosphere went crazy. You can read about it here, here, and here at [...] [...] view on homosexuality. Then the Christian blogosphere went crazy. You can read about it here, here, and here at [...]

]]> By: Watcher’s Council Nominations – Sharpshooter’s Edition | askmarion http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-233880 Watcher’s Council Nominations – Sharpshooter’s Edition | askmarion Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:53:20 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-233880 [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...] [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...]

]]> By: This Week’s Watcher’s Council Nominations | therightplanet.com http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-233836 This Week’s Watcher’s Council Nominations | therightplanet.com Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:02:29 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-233836 [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...] [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...]

]]> By: Watcher’s Council Nominations – Sharpshooter’s Edition | therightplanet.com http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-233835 Watcher’s Council Nominations – Sharpshooter’s Edition | therightplanet.com Wed, 16 Jan 2013 17:01:22 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-233835 [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...] [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...]

]]> By: Watcher’s Council – Please Check Out Project Veritas Video | Independent Sentinel http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-233821 Watcher’s Council – Please Check Out Project Veritas Video | Independent Sentinel Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:48:56 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-233821 [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...] [...] To The Point – Louie Giglio and the New State Church submitted by Rhymes with [...]

]]> By: Browse Worthy: Presidential Inauguration Controversy | Gentle Reformation http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-233778 Browse Worthy: Presidential Inauguration Controversy | Gentle Reformation Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:02:21 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-233778 [...] Carter – He explains the situation thoroughly, echoes Russell Moore’s warning (Guess I’m sneaking in a fourth article!) about how the government is in effect establishing [...] [...] Carter – He explains the situation thoroughly, echoes Russell Moore’s warning (Guess I’m sneaking in a fourth article!) about how the government is in effect establishing [...]

]]> By: Living in a Post-Christendom America | Cornerstone http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-233421 Living in a Post-Christendom America | Cornerstone Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:39:35 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-233421 [...] would see the “seperation” as subjective depending upon what is good at the time (i.e. allowing an evangelical Christian to pray at a national service only when it fits their agenda). This shocks many Christians because of our long Christian “heritage”. I think this is [...] [...] would see the “seperation” as subjective depending upon what is good at the time (i.e. allowing an evangelical Christian to pray at a national service only when it fits their agenda). This shocks many Christians because of our long Christian “heritage”. I think this is [...]

]]> By: Passing along a few good articles… « Counting it All Joy http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-233407 Passing along a few good articles… « Counting it All Joy Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:47:48 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-233407 [...] Here is one from Russell Moore concerning this situation and the new state church. http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/ [...] [...] Here is one from Russell Moore concerning this situation and the new state church. http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/ [...]

]]> By: Louis Giglio and the New Thought Police « Notes from a Small Place http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-233254 Louis Giglio and the New Thought Police « Notes from a Small Place Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:04:48 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-233254 [...] Russ Moore: The Christian faith in every expression has held for 2000 years that sexual immorality is sinful. This same Christian faith has maintained, again in every branch, that sexual expression outside of conjugal marriage is sin. And the Christian faith has maintained universally that all persons are sinners and that no sinner can enter the kingdom without repentance. This is hardly new. [...] [...] Russ Moore: The Christian faith in every expression has held for 2000 years that sexual immorality is sinful. This same Christian faith has maintained, again in every branch, that sexual expression outside of conjugal marriage is sin. And the Christian faith has maintained universally that all persons are sinners and that no sinner can enter the kingdom without repentance. This is hardly new. [...]

]]> By: Richard W. http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-233175 Richard W. Tue, 15 Jan 2013 05:22:19 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-233175 @Tony Peterson, To quote Rick Joyner is his recent article, "The Valley of Decision" Morning Star Journal, January, 2013: "Who we align ourselves with is who we are giving allegiance to...we cannot align ourselves with them and remain aligned with Christ." To deliver an invocation is to impart the blessing of God. "How can two walk together except they be agreed" (Amos 3:3). "If I were still seeking to please men, I would not be as bondservant of Christ" (Gal. 1:10). There can be no unity between "tares" and "wheat." The Word speaks for itself. @Tony Peterson, To quote Rick Joyner is his recent article, “The Valley of Decision” Morning Star Journal, January, 2013: “Who we align ourselves with is who we are giving allegiance to…we cannot align ourselves with them and remain aligned with Christ.” To deliver an invocation is to impart the blessing of God. “How can two walk together except they be agreed” (Amos 3:3). “If I were still seeking to please men, I would not be as bondservant of Christ” (Gal. 1:10). There can be no unity between “tares” and “wheat.” The Word speaks for itself.

]]> By: Having to Choose | The Jackson Press http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232983 Having to Choose | The Jackson Press Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:18:45 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232983 [...] Russell Moore noted on this controvery, by the standards of this controversy, no Muslim imam or Orthodox Jewish rabbi alive can pray at a presidential inauguration. [...] [...] Russell Moore noted on this controvery, by the standards of this controversy, no Muslim imam or Orthodox Jewish rabbi alive can pray at a presidential inauguration. [...]

]]> By: Lynne http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232769 Lynne Mon, 14 Jan 2013 02:08:07 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232769 @Paul P, Would you say then, that fornication for the purpose of having a child is sex that honors God? I hope not. God honors the marriage bed and marital sex for the enhancement of the marriage relationship (Heb 13:4). All other sexual encounters dishonor Him. We are wading into even more dangerous waters in our land, calling good evil and evil good (abortion, sodomy, lies, debt etc, etc) Homosexuals can demand recognition of their relationships as equivalent to marriage, but God designed marriage as we read about it in Genesis 2, and no man (or woman) however they seek to change their outward features can be "married" to one of the same gender. It's like morality; we don't define what is or isn't moral (God is Himself the definition), we just choose to obey or disobey. Thank you, Dr Moore, for this excellent article. @Paul P,
Would you say then, that fornication for the purpose of having a child is sex that honors God? I hope not. God honors the marriage bed and marital sex for the enhancement of the marriage relationship (Heb 13:4). All other sexual encounters dishonor Him. We are wading into even more dangerous waters in our land, calling good evil and evil good (abortion, sodomy, lies, debt etc, etc)

Homosexuals can demand recognition of their relationships as equivalent to marriage, but God designed marriage as we read about it in Genesis 2, and no man (or woman) however they seek to change their outward features can be “married” to one of the same gender. It’s like morality; we don’t define what is or isn’t moral (God is Himself the definition), we just choose to obey or disobey.

Thank you, Dr Moore, for this excellent article.

]]> By: JOHN http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232765 JOHN Mon, 14 Jan 2013 01:47:54 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232765 @Honza, Secular Humanism is in our schools. It has become the new state religion, and Obama is leading it forward. Christian rise up and stand firm.... fight back, retake this nation in the name of Christ! It once belonged to us.... we wimped out on God and allowed the enemy to take control of the greatest nation on the earth. Shame on us... @Honza, Secular Humanism is in our schools. It has become the new state religion, and Obama is leading it forward. Christian rise up and stand firm…. fight back, retake this nation in the name of Christ! It once belonged to us…. we wimped out on God and allowed the enemy to take control of the greatest nation on the earth. Shame on us…

]]> By: JOHN http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232760 JOHN Mon, 14 Jan 2013 01:43:22 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232760 Secular humanism is becoming the new state religion. Read all about it in Humanist Manifesto II or attend a government high school or college. The humanists have taken over the schools, and once they have the minds of our youth... well it is all over. Christians are being pushed into the closet now. Sadly, most Christians aren't discerning enough to understand the horrible results. Most pastors are fearful of offending some of the humanists in their congregations so they rarely mention the subject. Intimidated Christian leaders... when we need men of God to lead us. Rise up oh men of God.... stand and take back this nation which was founded upon Biblical principles! Secular humanism is becoming the new state religion. Read all about it in Humanist Manifesto II or attend a government high school or college. The humanists have taken over the schools, and once they have the minds of our youth… well it is all over. Christians are being pushed into the closet now. Sadly, most Christians aren’t discerning enough to understand the horrible results. Most pastors are fearful of offending some of the humanists in their congregations so they rarely mention the subject. Intimidated Christian leaders… when we need men of God to lead us. Rise up oh men of God…. stand and take back this nation which was founded upon Biblical principles!

]]> By: John Evans http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232657 John Evans Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:19:00 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232657 @Ronnie, This issue is being promoted by those in support of it, and Christians (of all denominations) are being relentlessly attacked over it. That is the only reason why it's being emphasized. The incident in question could not be more clear proof. This pastor was not going to speak on the subject, and apparently had barely mentioned it in 20 years. Yet he was blacklisted because it could be proved he held this belief. @Ronnie, This issue is being promoted by those in support of it, and Christians (of all denominations) are being relentlessly attacked over it. That is the only reason why it’s being emphasized. The incident in question could not be more clear proof. This pastor was not going to speak on the subject, and apparently had barely mentioned it in 20 years. Yet he was blacklisted because it could be proved he held this belief.

]]> By: Claude Jacques Bonhomme http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232585 Claude Jacques Bonhomme Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:51:44 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232585 Please sign the petition to President Obama to have a true Christian deliver the inaugural benediction. WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO: invite Sr. Simone Campbell to offer the prayer at the president's second inauguration. Sr. Simone Campbell would be an excellent choice to offer the benediction at the president's second inauguration. She has been a strong voice for economic policies that both lift the poor out of poverty and help middle-class Americans from falling into poverty. Last summer, her "Nuns-on-the-Bus" tour shed light on these important concerns. It's time for a woman of such strength, concern and faith to offer the inaugural benediction. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/invite-sr-simone-campbell-offer-prayer-presidents-second-inauguration/kRqVXHmt Please sign the petition to President Obama to have a true Christian deliver the inaugural benediction.

WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
invite Sr. Simone Campbell to offer the prayer at the president’s second inauguration. Sr. Simone Campbell would be an excellent choice to offer the benediction at the president’s second inauguration. She has been a strong voice for economic policies that both lift the poor out of poverty and help middle-class Americans from falling into poverty. Last summer, her “Nuns-on-the-Bus” tour shed light on these important concerns. It’s time for a woman of such strength, concern and faith to offer the inaugural benediction.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/invite-sr-simone-campbell-offer-prayer-presidents-second-inauguration/kRqVXHmt

]]> By: Claude Jacques Bonhomme http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232583 Claude Jacques Bonhomme Sun, 13 Jan 2013 15:49:37 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232583 If you stand with Pastor Giglio, you respect his decision to withdraw his participation because he realizes his past comments are divisive (even though he's not apologetic for them) and he doesn't want to bring that baggage at the inauguration. If you stand with Pastor Giglio, you respect his decision to withdraw his participation because he realizes his past comments are divisive (even though he’s not apologetic for them) and he doesn’t want to bring that baggage at the inauguration.

]]> By: Sunday Best: Louie Giglio, Cult of Gym, Premillennialism http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232530 Sunday Best: Louie Giglio, Cult of Gym, Premillennialism Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:00:07 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232530 [...] D. Moore offers commentary on the Louie Giglio inauguration prayer affair. Patrol magazine offers another [...] [...] D. Moore offers commentary on the Louie Giglio inauguration prayer affair. Patrol magazine offers another [...]

]]> By: Tolerance and the Louie Giglio / White House Controversy – 3 Opinions | Think Christianly http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232466 Tolerance and the Louie Giglio / White House Controversy – 3 Opinions | Think Christianly Sun, 13 Jan 2013 04:19:18 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232466 [...] Dr. Russell Moore wonders if we are seeing the emergence of a new state church. [...] [...] Dr. Russell Moore wonders if we are seeing the emergence of a new state church. [...]

]]> By: Commentary 2013: Louie Giglio pulls out of inauguration over anti-gay comments. | Bull Sullivan http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232462 Commentary 2013: Louie Giglio pulls out of inauguration over anti-gay comments. | Bull Sullivan Sun, 13 Jan 2013 03:53:09 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232462 [...] Moore, a leading Southern Baptist voice, suggested that the decision represented the establishment of a new “state church,” one that is hostile to traditional Christian teachings about sexuality. Albert Mohler denounced the [...] [...] Moore, a leading Southern Baptist voice, suggested that the decision represented the establishment of a new “state church,” one that is hostile to traditional Christian teachings about sexuality. Albert Mohler denounced the [...]

]]> By: James L Pommerening http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232415 James L Pommerening Sat, 12 Jan 2013 23:30:34 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232415 The true words in all this discussion are (paraphrasing), "sinners do not want to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ because it convicts them..." The true words in all this discussion are (paraphrasing), “sinners do not want to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ because it convicts them…”

]]> By: Barney Lewis http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232379 Barney Lewis Sat, 12 Jan 2013 20:34:14 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232379 I know the bible is right and somebody's wrong. I told you once, I told you twice, you can't get to heaven with a husband and a wife. I know the bible is right! I know the bible is right and somebody’s wrong. I told you once, I told you twice, you can’t get to heaven with a husband and a wife. I know the bible is right!

]]> By: Louie Giglio, the President, and Sexuality | Solus Christus http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232373 Louie Giglio, the President, and Sexuality | Solus Christus Sat, 12 Jan 2013 20:13:43 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232373 [...] Russell Moore (Dean of the School of Theology and Professor of Christian Theology and Ethics at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary) “We don’t have a natural right to pray at anyone’s inauguration. But when one is pressured out from a previous invitation because he is too “toxic” for simply mentioning once something universal in the Christian faith, we ought to see what we’re looking at: a state church.” [...] [...] Russell Moore (Dean of the School of Theology and Professor of Christian Theology and Ethics at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary) “We don’t have a natural right to pray at anyone’s inauguration. But when one is pressured out from a previous invitation because he is too “toxic” for simply mentioning once something universal in the Christian faith, we ought to see what we’re looking at: a state church.” [...]

]]> By: Inaugurations & the Church’s Influence in American Culture | The Center for Women of Faith in Culture http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232365 Inaugurations & the Church’s Influence in American Culture | The Center for Women of Faith in Culture Sat, 12 Jan 2013 19:47:36 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232365 [...] Russell Moore of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary writes, “As citizens, we ought to insist that the President stand up to his “base” and articulate a vision of a healthy pluralism in the public square.” [...] [...] Russell Moore of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary writes, “As citizens, we ought to insist that the President stand up to his “base” and articulate a vision of a healthy pluralism in the public square.” [...]

]]> By: Saturday Shout-Outs: Prayer, Giglio, & Ministry Links | H.B. Charles Jr. http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232339 Saturday Shout-Outs: Prayer, Giglio, & Ministry Links | H.B. Charles Jr. Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:40:15 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232339 [...] about how biblical Christianity is viewed in our culture. Read what Louie Giglio, Al Mohler, and Russell Moore wrote on the [...] [...] about how biblical Christianity is viewed in our culture. Read what Louie Giglio, Al Mohler, and Russell Moore wrote on the [...]

]]> By: My Take: Christians ought to shrug off inaugural pastor rejection – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232324 My Take: Christians ought to shrug off inaugural pastor rejection – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:42:23 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232324 [...] Moore, a leading Southern Baptist voice, suggested that the decision represented the establishment of a new “state church,” one that is hostile to traditional Christian teachings about sexuality. Albert Mohler denounced the [...] [...] Moore, a leading Southern Baptist voice, suggested that the decision represented the establishment of a new “state church,” one that is hostile to traditional Christian teachings about sexuality. Albert Mohler denounced the [...]

]]> By: Shuns of Anarchy | Prayer And Action http://www.russellmoore.com/2013/01/10/louie-giglio-and-the-new-state-church/#comment-232320 Shuns of Anarchy | Prayer And Action Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:24:12 +0000 http://www.russellmoore.com/?p=10079#comment-232320 [...] in the Bible in your own church–then there is no freedom left. And we have become, as Dr. Russell Moore suggests, members of a State Church, where "if you want to avoid being thrown off the program, you had [...] [...] in the Bible in your own church–then there is no freedom left. And we have become, as Dr. Russell Moore suggests, members of a State Church, where "if you want to avoid being thrown off the program, you had [...]

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