Christ, the Church, and Pat Robertson

— Thursday, September 15th, 2011 —

This week on his television show Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson said a man would be morally justified to divorce his wife with Alzheimer’s disease in order to marry another woman. The dementia-riddled wife is, Robertson said, “not there” anymore. This is more than an embarrassment. This is more than cruelty. This is a repudiation of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Few Christians take Robertson all that seriously anymore. Most roll their eyes, and shake their heads when he makes another outlandish comment (for instance, defending China’s brutal one-child abortion policy to identifying God’s judgment on specific actions in the September 11 attacks, Hurricane Katrina, or the Haiti earthquake). This is serious, though, because it points to an issue that is much bigger than Robertson.

Marriage, the Scripture tells us, is an icon of something deeper, more ancient, more mysterious. The marriage union is a sign, the Apostle Paul announces, of the mystery of Christ and his church (Eph. 5). The husband, then, is to love his wife “as Christ loved the church” (Eph. 5:25). This love is defined not as the hormonal surge of romance but as a self-sacrificial crucifixion of self. The husband pictures Christ when he loves his wife by giving himself up for her.

At the arrest of Christ, his Bride, the church, forgot who she was, and denied who he was. He didn’t divorce her. He didn’t leave.

The Bride of Christ fled his side, and went back to their old ways of life. When Jesus came to them after the resurrection, the church was about the very thing they were doing when Jesus found them in the first place: out on the boats with their nets. Jesus didn’t leave. He stood by his words, stood by his Bride, even to the Place of the Skull, and beyond.

A woman or a man with Alzheimer’s can’t do anything for you. There’s no romance, no sex, no partnership, not even companionship. That’s just the point. Because marriage is a Christ/church icon, a man loves his wife as his own flesh. He cannot sever her off from him simply because she isn’t “useful” anymore.

Pat Robertson’s cruel marriage statement is no anomaly. He and his cohorts have given us for years a prosperity gospel with more in common with an Asherah pole than a cross. They have given us a politicized Christianity that uses churches to “mobilize” voters rather than to stand prophetically outside the power structures as a witness for the gospel.

But Jesus didn’t die for a Christian Coalition; he died for a church. And the church, across the ages, isn’t significant because of her size or influence. She is weak, helpless, and spattered in blood. He is faithful to us anyway.

If our churches are to survive, we must repudiate this Canaanite mammonocracy that so often speaks for us. But, beyond that, we must train up a new generation to see the gospel embedded in fidelity, a fidelity that is cruciform.

It’s easy to teach couples to put the “spark” back in their marriages, to put the “sizzle” back in their sex lives. You can still worship the self and want all that. But that’s not what love is. Love is fidelity with a cross on your back. Love is drowning in your own blood. Love is screaming, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me.”

Sadly, many of our neighbors assume that when they hear the parade of cartoon characters we allow to speak for us, that they are hearing the gospel. They assume that when they see the giggling evangelist on the television screen, that they see Jesus. They assume that when they see the stadium political rallies to “take back America for Christ,” that they see Jesus. But Jesus isn’t there.

Jesus tells us he is present in the weak, the vulnerable, the useless. He is there in the least of these (Matt. 25:31-46). Somewhere out there right now, a man is wiping the drool from an 85 year-old woman who flinches because she think he’s a stranger. No television cameras are around. No politicians are seeking a meeting with them.

But the gospel is there. Jesus is there.

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244 Responses to “Christ, the Church, and Pat Robertson”

Don Sartain September 15th, 2011 at 10:05 am
I can’t believe he actually said that…granted, I haven’t really watched any preacher on TV for 16 years, so I’m a little out of that loop, but really?? Has he forgotten all that the gospel means?

#heartbreaking

Amy in reply September 17th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
@Don Sartain, To think that the secular world actually believes this man to be a representative for the Christians in the world makes me so sick. This man is an apostate just like the so-called “Reverend” Al Sharpton. Sharpton has no theological degree and yet he goes on CNN, Fox, and the like to spew his rhetoric and hate. We Christians need to step it up and let the world know that these people are not representatives for Christ but for the Anti-Christ. The hate and persecution will grow for the true Christian as a result of these types of people. God is our only refuge and we must not deviate from the truth of the scriptures. Maranatha! Lord, come quickly and destroy these people who are against you.

Sterk Zwillig in reply September 18th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
@Don Sartain,

What Robertson said was that “if he is going to do anything” he should get a divorce. The person posing the question told Robertson that he was seeing someone else.
Eric Schumacher September 15th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Thanks. Well put.
Rae Whitlock September 15th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Amen, somebody. Thank you, Dr. Moore.

David Roberts in reply September 29th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Hey Rae. Thought I would say hello! @Rae Whitlock,
Daryl Poe September 15th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Thank you for your faithfulness to proclaiming the truth of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. As far as Pat Robertson and his ilk; Galatians 1:8-9.
Eric Schumacher September 15th, 2011 at 10:23 am
A Tale of Two Robertson’s (the best of them, and the worst of them):

Robertson McQuilkin’s example pours shame on Pat Robertson’s counsel: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/februaryweb-only/2-9-11.0.html

Blake Baggott in reply September 15th, 2011 at 11:58 am
@Eric Schumacher, I go to CIU, the college where he was president for so many years! Truly an incredible man and a true example of the gospel.

threegirldad in reply September 15th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
@Eric Schumacher,

Amen. I’ve made the same comparison myself.

For those who aren’t aware, a brief portion of Dr. McQuilkin’s resignation address to faculty, staff, and students survives on YouTube.

The contrast between Dr. McQuilkin and The Theological Train Wreck Formerly Known as Pat Robertson could not be more stark.

Kenny Moore in reply September 15th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
@Eric Schumacher,

Thank you for bringing that story to my memory. I cannot begin to imagine the pain of couples facing Alzheimer’s. Yet, the extent of God’s grace is limitless. Certainly, He loved me and secured me in Himself before I existed much less able to receprocate that love. To those who live with loved ones with Alzheimer’s, it is our opportunity to respond with great concern by lifting them up prayerfully and emotionally by listening to them.

One danger with Robertson’s statements is going against a biblical mandate. If Robertson’s position is accepted, who is to say that other justifications cannot be accepted? Once acceptance of non-biblical reasonings are camaflouged as biblical, there is no limit to the excuses man wants to and does use to justify sin.

Dr. Moore, thank you for the continuation of concern for biblical teachings. Better yet, I thank God for you!

Paul Statler in reply September 16th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
@Eric Schumacher,
In Late 2008 my father past away after my mom cared for him through the several years daddy lived with alz. After I think it was 57 yrs. lemme see Pat my new testament must read differant than yours. You must have an niv :)

Paul Statler in reply September 16th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
@Eric Schumacher,
Oops, thats 57 years of marriage not alz. I know there was no thought of divorce in moms mind.

Wonder how Pat feels about terminal Cancer patients.
Adam September 15th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Word up Russell. Not a surprise that a prosperity “gospel” guy would ask you to pursue your marital “prosperity” at the expense of the true Gospel living that leads to true Prosperity.

Stephen in reply September 16th, 2011 at 7:53 am
@Adam, well said.

Tamara Knowles in reply September 16th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
@Adam, so true
Sheldon Clowdus September 15th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Amen and amen.
Matthew R. Gochnauer September 15th, 2011 at 10:37 am
“a self-sacrificial crucifixion of self”

Thank you…And cannot and by the Spirit of God in Grace I pray that I will not forget His love for me and in turn Love my wife in this way….As I am commanded.

His Grace
Matt
Nancy Guthrie September 15th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Wow, Russell. Thank you for putting words to this frustration—that so many people in our world think this is a representation of the message of Christ. The thought that Pat Robertson would make this statement almost brings me to tears, but what I appreciate is your recognition that this is really only part of a larger abdication of the gospel.
Zack September 15th, 2011 at 10:50 am
This is absolutely phenomenal. When I get worked up over something in particular, I can always count on you to confront the issue in a more professional and civil manner.
Doug Miller September 15th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Russell Moore, thank you for making this information available and for standing in the proverbial gap. I continue to find I have less and less reason to call Mr. Robertson my brother. I cannot understand this latest misguided statement coming from one claiming the name of Christ. I try to give all people the benefit of the doubt, hoping that they simply have misspoken when something like this hits the “news.” However, this statement is so egregious that I’m not sure how we can give any credit. Mr. Robertson, how can you contradict the same Gospel that you preach from on a regular basis? How is it that you have taken the message of Matthew 5:31-32 and made yet another definition to what Jesus said? Clearly you have laid the Scripture aside. What about Matthew 19:1-11? How can you read this passage and make such a ludicrous statement? Nowhere does Jesus say anything about divorce being approved because of incapacitation. No, the only reason Jesus gives for justified divorce, and He seems to give this reason reluctantly, is for “sexual immorality.” (Matt. 19:9)

Mr. Robertson, if this is a misspoken statement, PLEASE RETRACT AND REPENT. If you really believe your statement of record, please quit calling yourself a Minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Revelation 22:18-19 makes it clear that you are messing with things that you will regret in eternity.

Andrew Rice in reply September 22nd, 2011 at 9:11 am
@Doug Miller,

get the facts on the story: http://www.slate.com/id/2303989/

a better evaluation.

God Bless!
Toni Wade Noble September 15th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Wow! What a powerful word! How short the church falls when it comes to the glory of God. May the Lord have mercy on us all…

God bless,

Toni
TjD_ September 15th, 2011 at 11:28 am
For once I am not too much agreeing.

Your definition of love in the third last paragraph is not the definition of love, but the definition of marriage ( and a bleak definition at that ). Love is a combination of eros, philos and agape. And, it takes two to tango ( or love ). There is no other person there with Alzheimer, that other person is gone.. There is no more eros, philos or agape..

Does that mean you can abandon the other ? I like to think I wouldnt, but I do not expect every man to take that path.. And I would not condemn a man for not being there till the end, it would mean a lack of grace on my part. It is not even my/our place to condemn any one.

T.

Clint Wagnon in reply September 15th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
@TjD_, if it takes two to love, then we are all hopelessly, helplessly lost. God loved us when there was no love for him on our part. He loved us with an everlasting love. He loved us while we were yet sinners, unlovely, still enemies.

The agape you speak of calls us to love our enemies. Where is the reciprocity in that love?

Yours is a self-service definition of love, not a biblical portrait at all.

We are only capable of love because he first loved us.

College Jay in reply September 15th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
@TjD_, I guess “in sickness and in health” means little to you, then.

Luke Gossett in reply September 15th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
@TjD_, All I will say is that as the church we are to judge, 1st Cor. 5. Where Paul advocates Church discipline. Also I would say that divorcing someone with Alzheimer’s looks nothing like Jesus, I do not see that picturing the gospel to people. Let us not forget that when Christ calls a man he bids him come and die.

This death to self that is present in discipleship, and the Christ likeness of Christ followers demands sacrificing. The point here is that if an action wouldn’t be done by Jesus in this situation, neither should it be done by us.

There is plenteous grace in Christ. Yet the matter is this action is a failure that needs grace to cover it. It isn’t morally permissible in any way you can construe it.

Grace and Peace.

Mike in reply September 16th, 2011 at 9:21 am
@TjD_,

Please read Romans 5:6 - 10 and reconsider whether the Bible actually teaches anything about taking two to tango. The whole redemptive story is about God’s loving pursuit of those who hate and mock Him.

Mike J in reply September 17th, 2011 at 8:13 am
@TjD_, “eros, philos and agape”? That’s a rather unconvincing twist on a semantic fallacy. You’re importing the semantic ranges of three words (themselves defined in their contexts, with agape and philos having no convincing discernible difference when speaking of love) into an abstract concept. Not only that, but if love is “eros”, how do you love your father, exactly? That’s bad Greek, bad theology, and bad morality.

Barbara Pesch in reply September 18th, 2011 at 9:21 am
@TjD_, Really?
Yvonne Melchionne Trimble September 15th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Robertson is a dispicable wolf in sheep’s clothing, a charlatan propelled by filthy lucre “from such we turn away.”
Donny September 15th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Dr. Moore,

Thank you for this word of correction, and for encouraging me in my own marriage commitment through this word!
Arthur Sido September 15th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Wow what a great essay and what a terrible tragedy that writing this is made necessary by people like Robertson.
Robb Stankey September 15th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
What Pat Robertson is horribly offensive. However, I was moved by a story done by CBS Sunday Morning not too long ago:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6601253n

My own personal experience with this comes from my grandparents. When my grandma’s Altzheimer’s became too violent and she was unable to recognize her family any more, my grandpa placed her in assisted living because he was unable to provide the proper care she needed.

I watched my grandpa struggle living on his own for years, not just because of the lack of companionship, but because he was now living on his own and having to do things like cooking that his wife had done for him for decades. As a result, he remarried less than a year after my grandma died.

My mind is definitely not settled on this, but I feel like saying to the non-Altzheimer’s spouse that you cannot seek out companionship when your spouse’s mind is gone is almost as harsh as when Pat Robertson says they are basically “dead”.

Is there a third way that respects and loves and cares for the spouse with Altzheimer’s and allows the non-affected spouse to fulfill their need for genuine companionship?

aa in reply September 15th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
@Robb Stankey, I agree that the spouse of an Alzheimer’s patient continues to have genuine and legitimate needs for physical and emotional support and companionship. Perhaps the third way you’re seeking could come through the caring actions of adult children who take the unaffected spouse into their home, or through close-knit church communities who come alongside to help him or her? The difference is that those kinds of actions model and reinforce Christ’s love. I have to agree with Dr. Moore, however, that Pat Robertson’s alternative makes a mockery of it.

College Jay in reply September 15th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
@Robb Stankey, I would think that the care and community provided by children, grandchildren and a local church would fulfill those needs, wouldn’t they? I know that when my grandmother dealt with being on her own — after my grandfather entered a nursing home due to his severe dementia — the neighborhood, the church and the rest of our family pitched in to help around the house and provide company and spiritual support.

Some Christians never marry, and many more never remarry after they are widowed, but they still find ways to fulfill their needs for companionship without resorting to sinful arrangements. Local churches and families must not be doing their job if we assume that the need for companionship must be met by something other than what God has provided.
Daniel Stevens September 15th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Dear Dr. Moore,

I just found your blog for the first time today, and I couldn’t agree with you more about your assessment of Robertson’s latest statement.

I wonder, though, how culpable we are as Robertson’s Christian brothers and sisters. As crazy as Robertson’s statement was, the fact is, Christians still divorce all the time for a wide variety of reasons. Some then remarry, yet are still accepted by their congregations (either current, or perhaps new). It is hard for me to imagine that any preacher would make the blunder that Robertson made if Christians took our Lord’s prohibition of divorce and remarriage more seriously…by not getting divorced and remarried. With that in mind, I ask the Lord for mercy not only on Robertson but on the entire body of believers who claim Christ as their Lord, yet find ways of rationalizing behaviors that He clearly condemns. And though I have never divorced, I wonder how my own sins scandalize other believers and non-believers alike.

On the issue of the supposed “exception” that Jesus seems to make, it is worth noting this immorality clause only occurs in one gospel. If you were a Roman Christian reading Mark’s Gospel, Jesus’s language would not have allowed for exceptions to the no divorce and remarriage rule. Jimmy Akin has a terrific commentary on Matthew 19:9 here: http://bit.ly/nEBsGE.

Come, Holy Spirit, and reunite your faithful Church around our Head, Jesus Christ, so that the errors of those who teach apart from her can be clearly and unequivocally understood as such!

God bless,
Daniel
Lanny Faulkner September 15th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Thank you Dr. Moore! Everything I see coming out of SBTS makes me thankful to be a Southern Baptist. I deeply appreciate you, your ministry, and the School.

Watching my father-in-law care for my mother-in-law for years as she went through this valley was one of the most Christ-like things I have ever witnessed.

BTW, “Canaanite mammonocracy” is the best description of this heresy that I have ever read, and a very interesting addition to my vocabulary!

Andrew Rice in reply September 22nd, 2011 at 9:18 am
@Lanny Faulkner,

What word do you like for ‘fabricator of lies’? You may be interested in the facts before you accuse your brothers of Heresy.

try this, http://www.slate.com/id/2303989/

I could not bear letting you go on in judgement of Mr. Robertson, when what was said about him is NOT EVEN TRUE!

God Bless.
Daniel Stevens September 15th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Sorry…I just realized that one sentence didn’t communicate what I intended:

I believe that congregations should accept people living in a state of sin…but not accept their sins. I think it is problematic when congregations think that they can just ignore a person’s public sin while accepting the person. I am not a pastor, and I can’t begin to imagine the pastoral difficulties associated with this issue. On that note, I am thankful that my church (the Catholic Church) has such clear, yet loving and pastoral, guidelines for persons who have divorced and remarried. The Catholic Church is clear in that no person who has truly been married can ever validly be remarried, since they are married to their first spouse until death do them part. No sin can put a marriage asunder, since God is the creator of that marriage bond.

I do think that this is the truth that has been lost across so much of Christendom, and it is a faithful return to God that can open our hearts to repentance, healing, and forgiveness…but only if those who are remarried are willing to turn away from their sin. I know this is a hard truth for many to accept, but with God, all things are possible, and nothing is better than following God’s will! His mercy and grace are always sufficient, and we prove that to be true most particularly when we as His children let go of the sinful aspects of our lives that we can’t even imagine living without!

God bless,

Daniel
Christiane September 15th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Thank you.

a story about Pat Robertson’s ‘empire’ . . . my dear god-mother, a Catholic of the eastern rite, has sent CBN thousands of dollars over many years faithfully,
thinking that they did the work of Our Lord.

She was in a dreadful accident, and her brain and mobility were affected. She has slowly recovered her speech but remains not herself and cannot walk. After the accident, knowing her faith in the goodness of CBN, I called them, and asked if they could send someone to the hospital to pray with her, that it would mean so much to her.

The response was horrible. I was told ‘we don’t make visits to hospitals. The person on the line was dismissive, and acted as though I had requested something impossibly beneath them.
(The hospital was not far from CBN. )

I never told my godmother about this. She believes, and I cannot harm that faith. She is not able to handle stress.
But I thought about it for a long time. It was my introduction to the ‘Pat Robertson Empire’ and it was brutal.
Michael September 15th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
This is an very inspirational piece! Outstanding. I’ve never heard of Dr. Moore, but I am now a lifelong fan.

“Sadly, many of our neighbors assume that when they hear the parade of cartoon characters we allow to speak for us, that they are hearing the gospel.”

That sentence ought to be carved in marble somewhere, for all the world to see!
John D September 15th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Home. Run.
KLM September 15th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Over the past 40 years, half the church took the Westminster Divines at their word, “sued out a divorce” (WCF 24:5) and it is now “already defeated” (1 Cor 6:7) (lit. destroyed).

In light of the clear teaching in 1 Cor 6:7, what did Jesus really mean in an obscure verse (Matthew 19:9) about “sue out a divorce” and remarriage?

That He would give us license so that every other pew would be smashed is contrary to marriage, contrary to family, contrary to children, contrary to logic, contrary to the church, contrary to the balance of Scripture and contrary to the Gospel.

That this “sue out a divorce” cancer would further devolve into divorcing an ill wife is criminal.

Thank you for shedding light on this critical issue, Dr. Moore!
Don Arndt September 15th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
How ironic that Robertson would say something like this?

He esteems Reagan highly, and what better example of how to love a spouse with alzheimers than Nancy Reagan’s selfless devotion to her husband. She protected President Reagan, loved him, through the roughest of times and did it with a noble grace and commitment.

She acted in a far more Christian way than Robertson may even be able to comprehend.

It is time for Robertson to just shut up and go away.
Scott Mitchell September 15th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Dr. Moore,

Thank you for this post. As a man who is disabled I struggle with the issue of being considered worthy of a relationship. It would seem that Robertson is putting ability over love. Thank you for presenting the true nature of the Gospel in light of his comments.
Rich Shores September 15th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
Thank you for such a rapid response to this most unfortunate philosphy of Robertson. I too, like many others and for many years, respected Robertson. However, that time has gone. You see, I am the son in law of a man with advanced Alzheimer’s. I can assure anyone… he is NOT DEAD. As a matter of fact the only thing that is gone, is his memory. He is still a very strong and healthy man. If Robertson’s philosophy was scriptural, then we’d have no hope for our own relationships with Jesus. Jesus would have seen us all as LIKE DEAD in our sin and found a way to divorce us all. There is no act of or sense of compassion or grace in anything that Robertson claimed.

I pray for Robertson, but at the same time, I pray he’s removed from any leadership at CBN, for his words are approaching the point of heresy.

Thank you for letting me comment here. I still am holding back tears of grief and anger over this whole philosphy of acceptable divorce.
DENISE BALIGAD September 15th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
“(Bride/Groom), take you (Groom/Bride), to be my (wife/husband), to have and to hold from this day forward, for better or for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, to love and to cherish; from this day forward until death do us part. “~~guess he didn’t mean his~

Thank you for sharing this~guess he is part of the “falling away” before Christ’s return~

Barbara Pesch in reply September 18th, 2011 at 9:31 am
@DENISE BALIGAD, How about ending the vows with “except if you get Alzheimer’s… then I can walk away and still feel good about divorcing you.”
Logan Gentry September 15th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
While I completely disagree with Pat Robertson, I think we all need to be careful in our personal attacks on Christians.

Yes, the scriptures show examples of Paul rebuking men publicly in his letters, but I’m betting it was after multiple confrontations in person.

Disagreeing and destroying someone’s bad theology is one thing, but attacking the man himself is inappropriate.

The church isn’t always pretty, but we need to stand by her, apologize for her, correct her, but always stand by her.

All of us can look to a time when our “advice” was absolute foolishness. Robertson’s error was leaning into his own thoughts instead of pointing to scripture.

College Jay in reply September 15th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
@Logan Gentry, It’s not like this is an anomaly for Pat Robertson. He has a very long history of leaning into his own thoughts instead of pointing to scripture. I’m not saying he isn’t a Christian or isn’t saved, but at a certain point it’s appropriate to publicly denounce someone whose repeated errors and embarrassments repudiate the gospel.
Gary Buffaloe September 15th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Well said. Unfortunately too many people in my context (rural North Carolina) do take Pat Robertson seriously. They are deceived. Thank you for your well-written, inspirational, and practically useful post. I pray and hope for North Carolina and for the American South that God will free us from “Southern-Fried Religion” (as Dr. Bruce Ashford would say) and return our churches to gospel-centered God-glorifying love for Jesus, the cross, and our spouses.

Grace and peace
John Weis September 15th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
These words healed my vision of who the church is: “She is weak, helpless, and spattered in blood. He is faithful to us anyway.”

Thank you.
Bob September 15th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
If there was even a nanogram of truth in Pat Robertson’s assertion about divorce, Jesus would have left us alone on the altar long ago.

Praise God marriage is far deeper than the intellect of those who advocate spousal abandonment.
Bob Cleveland September 15th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
I wonder if Mr. Robertson would similarly allege that it would be OK for God to cut loose of a believer because of dementia. If the great tribulation will be populated in part by followers of Jesus whose minds have been stolen by Alzheimers.

Or perhaps justification of divorce for similar but less spectacular anomalies.

I’d hate to think God’s love for me .. or for that matter, my wife’s love .. was conditioned on the soundness of my mind.
Steve Ray September 15th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Brave and Amen. This is the sacrificial (and sacramental) part of love. And it is all too absent in discussions of love and marriage today. Thank you for your clear presentation.

I suspect - or hope against hope - that Mr Robertson will repent of his words, and do so openly.
Jon Daniels September 15th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Dr. Moore,
Thanks so much for your response to the unbiblical remarks & views that Pat Robertson espoused. I so appreciate your ministry!
Jon Daniels September 15th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
By the way, my grandmother had Alzheimer’s, & now my father does.
Mark Morcom September 15th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
This represents the worse in Christianity. Why is it that Televangelists seem so bent on ruining the reputation of all Christians.

Bella Marie in reply September 15th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
@Mark Morcom, I don’t think they’re bent on it. I think they’re just unfortunately subject to human error and prone to making such errors “in the spotlight.” Pat has made many controversial statements (just like other televangelists) but look at any other leader in Christianity or even in politics or media or business or any other field. The people who consider those fields their religion, as wrong as they are to do so, would just as severely criticize their in-the-spotlight leaders for making a mistake as a Christian would be tempted to judge one of the “Christian leaders” who also made a mistake while “on air.” Does that make either the leader or the listener right for his mistake or his judgment respectively? No. It just makes us all human. Who are we to place such high expectations on our pastors or leaders and so judge them when they fall? Are they not allowed to make a mistake or even to go so far as to actually sin? Or because of their fame, are they expected to be perfect? Are they to be “less human” than we? Certainly, we SHOULD place some expectations on them to set the best example possible as they have so many looking to them for direction- but if they mess up, shouldn’t we simply be reminded that they’re just like us rather than judge them for being so? Today we renown King Solomon but what if he were the face of the 700 club? Wouldn’t we be judging him the same way? Or worse? After all, he had 700 wives, 300 concubines, worshipped other gods, and did countless other sins. But he was human wasn’t he? So we embrace his Proverbs and let his humanity slide because it is an issue of just that- humanity. Who are we to forgive Solomon or David or any other great man of Scripture yet not forgive a mere televangelist? If we lived in a land where Solomon was king, would we be so quick to condemn Pat? Would we still believe Solomon to be a greater man than he? IS he a greater man? Or is he really just like Pat? Just like the rest of us humans who make mistakes and sometimes have people watching or listening when we make them? The only difference between Pat and Solomon is that Pat is here and Solomon is dead. And the only difference between Pat and us is that Pat has more eyes and ears on him than we do. Just an interesting perspective to consider. I will not pretend to support Pat in all he says, but his mistakes do not make all the good he has attempted to do nor all the lives that have come to Christ through his ministry worthless. All we can do is love Pat for the good he has done and forgive him for what old age may cause to fall out of his mouth on occasion. If Pat Robertson is the “worst” of Christianity, there are a lot more Christians we need to meet because trust me, there is much worse out there than an old man who does or doesn’t realize what he’s saying sometimes. Maybe the biggest issue here is not whether Pat is right or wrong in everything he says, but if we as Christians are showing the same love we so eagerly accuse him of misrepresenting when he as one of our own has fallen into the inescapable pitfall of “being human.”

PS- Couldn’t figure out how to leave a response to the entire discussion so I left it on your comment instead. But just so you know- this is a response to the entire article (which I agree with in large part) and to the entire discussion (which I would wish to add to). Thanks for being a part of it!
Wes Kenney September 15th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Well said, Dr. Moore.
Gary Horn September 15th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
“Canaanite mammonocracy”. An arrow finds it mark to the heart of the matter.
Nick Migliacci September 15th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Moore completely missed the point, although everything he said is good and right. Folks, did you not hear what Pat Robertson subtly said in the interview? He called Alzheimer’s a type of “death,” and on THAT basis, justified divorce. This is the exact same trap, in principle, that virtually every Christian pastor and writer has fallen for in the matter of divorce on the grounds of—not Alzheimer’s but—adultery. From John MacArthur to Tony Evans to James Dobson to Charles Swindol to Charles Stanley and on and on, they argue that when a spouse commits adultery, such adultery amounts to the death of the marriage, since in the Old Testament, adultery would have resulted in the death penalty of the guilty spouse, hence, no more marriage. Therefore, they argue, in the New Testament, divorce is the “gracious” alternative to the death penalty that would have otherwise ensued. What Pat Robertson did is no different in principle than what any of your favorite preachers do when they say that adultery kills a marriage and therefore divorce is OK. We need to set the record straight with ALL these guys, not just Pat Robertson, and say that death means death; Alzheimer’s doesn’t kill a marriage, and neither does adultery. Divorce is not the alternative to the Old Testament death penalty; forgiveness is! You have no right to criticize Pat Robertson’s “Alzheimer’s-equals-death-of-marriage” view if you yourself hold the “adultery-equals-death-of-marriage” view. Both are built on the same premise and both must be condemned. “Till death us do part” does not include adultery any more than it includes Alzheimer’s, or any other thing we want to insert that we believe “kills” a marriage, including desertion, or incompatibility. Death means casket-death, and nothing less. If you’re going to criticize Pat Robertson, you must attack the foundation of his premise, which is that Alzheimer’s amounts to the death of a marriage. But if you’re going to do that, then you must be consistent and condemn the view that says adultery amounts to the death of a marriage.

Matt McMains in reply September 15th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
@Nick Migliacci,

I don’t think the argument from those men is so much that adultery=death as it is that Matthew speaks directly to the issue of adultery and divorce in his gospel. However you interpret the passage, to say that the arguments of these men and others are the same as that of Pat Robertson is what truly misses the point.

Seth MacGillivray in reply September 16th, 2011 at 12:06 am
@Nick Migliacci,

Apparently Jesus disagrees with you (Matthew 19:9; 5:31-32). Or, you know, maybe he was just kidding.
clayton mcgalla September 15th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Pat Robertson’s cruel marriage statement is no anomaly. He and his cohorts have given us for years a prosperity gospel with more in common with an Asherah pole than a cross.

WOW, great analogy! Thank you Dr. Moore
Christopher Johnson September 15th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Absolutely brilliant, Doctor. My congratulations.
Beth Powell September 15th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
I have watched the 700 Club for years and have alot more confidence and faith in Pat than I would ever have in your self-righteous, judgemental attitude Mr. Moore…I have thought for years that Pat Robertson may be suffering from dementia, he is in his 80’s and his son Gordon has been sitting in alot for him lately. He has said things in the past that I don’t agree with either but how perfect are you to stand in judgement of him? One of my Christian and yes, saved family members who drinks alcohol and accepts cussing as acceptable in the church today jumped right on your bandwagon! GOD HELP US! And please pray for Pat Robertson and the error of his ways which I’m certain makes the Lord happier than to put him on the whipping post and crucify him…

Scottie Mac in reply September 16th, 2011 at 8:14 am
@Beth Powell,

You don’t have to be perfect to discern and call out an unbiblical doctrine and the one who teaches it. Romans 16 tells us to mark and avoid false teachers. Paul withstood Peter to his face (Galatians 2) when Peter was wrong.

Your ad hominem by association attack on Dr. Moore, attempting to nullify his argument because a winebibber in your church agrees with him, is completely baseless. I like chocolate ice cream; if Adolf Hitler also liked chocolate ice cream, that does not mean that I espouse Nazism. Plus, it sure does sound like you’re doing quite a bit of judging of that believer with the alcohol and language issue … oh, but by your definition, I guess that is me judging you now, huh? Yeah, it gets pretty crazy when you can’t expose sin, doesn’t it.

And now you judge Dr. Moore by assuming he hasn’t prayed for Pat Robertson. Tsk tsk.
Mia Tran September 15th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Thank you for speaking up, Dr. Moore!
We all blunder and say things we shouldn’t say. The right thing to do now is to repent and apologize or answer to God. Sadly, Mr. Robertson, you are misrepresenting our “I love you with an everlasting love.” -GOD
Tyler Shedd September 15th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Dr. Moore,

Thank you for this. My earliest memories of Pat Robertson are sitting in front of the old console TV in my grandparents’ musty basement. I liked the way he prayed so specifically over viewers’ various ailments. He spoke, in my mind, with such a gentle authority. That’s why my grandparents were long time members of the 700 Club. It wasn’t so much the prosperity stuff (they were never wealthy by any standard) or even the politics that drew them in. Pat (they called him by his first name) was their pastor. I remember the summer they drove from Indiana out to Virginia Beach to be in the studio audience. It was like going to church–which they faithfully did every Sunday back home.

When I was a teenager and my grandmother was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s at age 69, the TV went silent. I will never forget the way my grandfather cared for her–it was a 24 hour a day job that lasted six years. Thankless but not joyless. He coped by formulating opinions and theories (sometimes wild, always strong) about everything under the sun. He memorized royal genealogies from empires past. He memorized Scripture. And he learned to love his wife as Christ loves the Church.

Towards the end, some of us encouraged my grandfather, who lived his whole life with a heart condition, to explore a nursing home option. He agreed, reluctantly. Less than a week later, though, she was back home. Nothing could separate them, not even the fear of heart failure. She went to be with Jesus at home with her husband of 55 years by her side.

Eight and a half years later, he followed her to glory. I got the phone call three weeks after our family moved to Asia to serve–something I never would have considered without my grandparents’ prayer and influence. I’ve told their story in two languages more times than I can count. I’m not a sentimentalist, I tell their story only to open up the door for His Story–the Story of Jesus. The Story my grandmother first told me way back when, in that same old basement where Pat used to pray.

This winter I’m looking forward to taking my kids to the cemetery. Way out in the country. It’s the place where the bodies of their great grandparents are waiting for that Day. Side by side. And I will ask them that age old question, “Where, oh death, is your victory?”
Trey Farris September 15th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
“some spouses aren’t useful before marriage, but we marry them anyway.”-my wife. I love her.
Suzanne Bailey September 15th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
“She is weak, helpless, and spattered in blood. He is faithful to us anyway.”

Wow. What a fantastic post. Thank you, Dr. Moore.
Grace Robinson September 16th, 2011 at 3:27 am
Get real ! Why is it that only Pat Robertson’s controversial statements get press ? For the very few “negative”comments, there are tens of thousands of incredible & credible statements, etc. I challenge whoever wants to make a criticism of this man, to actually watch the program (700 Club) rather than taking what other’s opinions may be.
Watch at least 6 programs before making your own judgement.
The CBN & Operation Blessing ministries have accomplished AMAZING outreaches around the world. Go to http://www.cbn.com, http://www.regent.edu, http://www.aclj.com & cruise around to have a glimpse.
The statement referred to was impromptu & in response to a viewer’s question. It was a discussion & not necessarily agreed to by the co-host. It was not a theological debate.
I saw that program, and heard him say that “he wouldn’t fault the man” which was based on his opinion…

Scottie Mac in reply September 16th, 2011 at 8:18 am
@Grace Robinson,

* Grace Robertson. There, fixed it for you.
Dan Lucking September 16th, 2011 at 5:39 am
I have no disagreement at all with Dr Moore here, I think Mr Robertson’s comments were outrageous, however I’d like to just add something which has already been touched on by previous comments.

Morally, the action of leaving your spouse because they have alzheimers is contrary to the gospel, as most here agree. However, there is a genuine point to be made about the needs of the spouse who does not have alzheimers. Romance should not be pursued in anyone other than your spouse, but there are other forms of companionship, people above haved suggested that children or grandchildren should support those with an affected spouse, or the local church, to help provide this companionship and also to help bear their burden.

The question is though, what if this couple never had children due to inability to do so? What if the church they attend is full of people who just don’t pay any attention to this person’s needs? Certainly some churches can be like this.. can you imagine if this poor spouse was in a church full of Pat Robertson fans and everyone was encouraging them to leave their sick spouse and find someone else, not lifting a finger to actually help?

So the point I want to make is this, yes it is contrary to biblical teaching on marriage and the gospel, to leave a spouse who has alzheimers simply because of that fact. However churches need to recognise that caring for such a spouse is massively demanding and as such the church needs to do all it can to support people in this situation. It’s not only the spouse who is called to die to themself, the whole church is called to die to itself.

If the church fails to support these people then in my view if the spouse then decides to leave, the church is at least partly responsible. To see someone suffering and think “that’s just their burden to bear” rather than to help in whatever way possible, even if something small, is a sin.

Just to be clear, I’m not wanting to label anyone here or any specific church as being one that doesn’t help those in need. My aim is not to judge anyone in particular but to give some perspective and to change the focus from purely “what should this person do in this situation” to also include “what should I/the church do to support someone who is in this situation”. Someone above said that we should all try and do what Jesus would in a situation like this- I’m just trying to emphasise that Jesus would probably try to help even if he wasn’t the lonely spouse.
JD Rand September 16th, 2011 at 9:07 am
If you want to see how Christ loved the church check out this story; The Robertson McQuilkin Story - Today’s Christian Videoshttp://www.godtube.com/watch/?v=7D7ZWNNX
Clai Lucas September 16th, 2011 at 9:27 am
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it.
Eph. 5:25
As a Christian and a member of the male species and married, I have never found this text to be difficult to understand.
David Quinley September 16th, 2011 at 10:03 am
Praise God and Thank you for standing on the Word of God. Pat Robertson gives ‘true’ Christianity a black eye, to say the least. My 86 year old mother has dementia and my father has been by her side. I deeply respect that in my father and hope that I will do the same if nesessery. Marriage is for life.
J.Paul Jenkins September 16th, 2011 at 10:08 am
It sounds like Pat has slipped into Dimensia himself. Billy Grahams Organization made a movie that dealt with this issue. The Name of it is “A Vow To Cherish” It is about a Christian Man whose wife develops Dimensia Earlier than Usual. It shows his struggles and the choices he is faced with. This is probably one of the best films they ever made and I recomend it to everyone.
Renee Grant September 16th, 2011 at 11:00 am
While you make some good points, let’s not forget that Christianity isn’t about the public bashing of others either. Just as you said Jesus loves his bride, the church, unconditionally, aren’t Christians called to love one another unconditionally? Not that we can’t rebuke, but what tone should it take? I’m think that this is something to consider as well.
And, not that I agree with Pat Robertson, I just think that on these types of matters, none of us, including Pat Robertson, can really say anything unless you are someone in that situation. I can’t imagine the pain of watching my loved one lose their memory and all sense of who they are. Of course I would stay faithful to them….but I couldn’t help but thinking about being on the other side. If I knew I were going to lose my memory and not even be able to recognize my husband, and I knew there would be another chance for him to find love with someone who could cherish him and take care of him, I can’t help but think I would want that for him. Isn’t that also showing selfless love? Again, just something to think about.

Just wanting us as the church to be careful about our responses to one another as we confront issues such as these.

Margaret Davis in reply September 18th, 2011 at 10:55 am
@Renee Grant,

No, if I had Alzheimer’s, I would not want my spouse to find happiness with another, any more than if I were paralyzed I would not want my spouse to be stepping out with another. And if we were poor, I would not want him to be dipping into the bank account of another.

I care about the eternal soul of my spouse and would not want him to cave and step away from Christian manhood, but to grow mightily under the task that God has put before him. When our weakness and disability is instrumental in the sanctification of another, we must accept our role in humility.

We are to give thanks in ALL things, even the hard things. And we are to rejoice in tribulations.
Christiane September 16th, 2011 at 11:50 am
A lot of people loved Our Lord, but when the time came for His Suffering on the Cross, most left Him and walked away . . .

some stayed to stand vigil, among them blessed Mary His mother,
and St. John . . .

we have a devotion in my Church called keeping ‘vigil’ and yes, it trains us to ‘stay’ and to ‘keep watch’ and to pray during the appointed times when we remember events in Our Lord’s life

sometimes we need to ‘keep vigil’ for one another in a marriage, and not to run away while the other suffers . . . to stay ‘with’ a spouse is to stand witness to our love for them, and that love is not something to run away from
Mike minter September 16th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Perhaps Pat Robertson has alzhimers and has forgotten the gospel.

Mike Minter
Faye Bryant September 16th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Thank you for your words. I attempted to write something yesterday amidst my anger and emotions and could only come out with “his advice stinks.”

In the question he was asked, the man said his friend had begun seeing another woman after his wife started suffering from Alzheimer’s.

As a person of words, I see so much wrong in Mr. R’s answer to this.

First, according to the question, the man started seeing this other woman after his wife STARTED suffering from the disease. Not after years at her side. Not after the spark had left her eyes. Liken it to a cold. He started seeing a woman after the third sniffle, because, of course, the cold is real and will someday cause her to be different.

Secondly, instead of calling this act exactly what it is, ADULTERY, Mr. R. told him to ditch the current and get on with the new. Leave her in the hands of someone else. Custodial care. Like a dog left in a kennel for its remaining days.

I agree with other commenters who say Mr. R needs to step down. Personally, I wonder if there’s not some signs of Alzheimer’s right there in his life. God help him if those who have promised to stand by him leave now. At the same time, I pray for him.

I thank God every day for my husband who has already shown me his love through our journey with sickness and health, good and bad. His love shows me and others Jesus.
Laddie Smith, II September 16th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
There is another point which I have not seen addressed. While agreeing with this blog, did it ever occur to anyone that perhaps the person with Alzheimer’s is NOT gone?

Just because they cannot interact physically, even (finally) down to subtle eye and facial cues only proves that the brain is no longer functioning except to sustain biological life.

Unless you believe, with materialists, that brain is mind and mind is brain, then the mind simply (in this case) has lost it’s vehicle of expression to us. You cannot prove that the mind is gone!

My mother had dementia with Alzheimer’s features, was in a nursing home for 4 years, and I never at any point, up until her death, felt she was gone. She was “in there”, past the dysfunction. What changed was that I had to go and try to reach her, where she was; not measure her by whether she could come to me.

All of which makes it more, not less, incumbent upon us to not simply write of Alzheimer’s victims as “gone” merely because they progressively lack the ability to relate to us as we are accustomed. It is, after all, not only not about us, but not about OUR perceptions as being the final word.
James M. Nichols September 16th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
While I have defended some of the other things Robertson has said (the Haiti earthquake), even when I personally would not have chosen to say them; this is indefensible. What if your spouse was paralyzed or suffered serious brain injury? The words of the vow, “Till death do us part,” do not include exception clauses.
Right on, Bro. Russell!
Deb Damge September 16th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
I was shocked to read Robertson’s comment in our local newspaper yesterday. My mother died at the age of 89, a victim of Alzheimer’s. As my father was no longer living, I was there by her side and she continued to be my mom, despite the changes in her life. Had my dad been alive, there is no question that his commitment would have endured “to the end”. While not pleasant, this is Love. Was the cross pleasant? Did Christ bail on his commitment?
Charles butler September 16th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
I really think you are looking for a christian law that makes others know that Christians are supreme or different than others in America and the world.
Friend, the man who is leaving his partner due to being a normal ‘fleshy’ sinner is trying to cope.
Let it go and learn that Divorce is granted for death. I think she and all of us who are willing to admit that we NEED Christ to help save us, are more than willing to understand the divorce comment and that Pat Robertson is way past his mental and physical capability on the television show.
Divorce happens, stop voicing that the church is not accepting of it. This is exactly why people say the church is “out of touch” and really dont know what loving acceptance of flawed people who are prone to make sinful choices really is.

Sincerely, CB

MzEllen in reply September 18th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
@Charles butler,

No…DEATH is granted for death.

death and divorce both mean the end of a marriage, but they are not the same thing.
Gary Sellars September 16th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Before I address your remarks, which I heard about from a PAGAN source, I’d like to ask a few questions.

Do you speak in tongues?

Do preach and teach that all Christians should lay hands on the sick and believe God for them to recover?

Have you ever praised Pat Robertson for anything publicly … at all?

If the answer to all three questions is “No,” then that tells me two things:

The first thing it tells me is that if your favorite preacher had said the same thing, you would have been more gracious in your response.

The second thing that it tells me is that “The Golden Rule” isn’t your first consideration when considering how to respond to someone’s verbal gaffe when they are someone you don’t like.

So, since Jesus MAIN COMMANDMENT (Surely you can make the correlation with “love” being the “whole” of the commandments) is ignored by you, then it seems you should be ignored by others.

“By this shall all men know you are My disciples, that you write long contemptuous articles against your brethren.”

You’ll have to give me the address. I can’t find it in my Bible.

Rahman Abdul in reply September 16th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
@Gary Sellars,

Dr. Moore did a remarkable job and justice in writing a very objective essay on Pat Robertson.

Pat Robertson has defiled the credibility of Christianity for real. As a Christian who once lived 40 years in Indonesia (90% moslem population), I had to bear the oppression because of stupid things Robertson represented and said. All of what he said about tsunami in Japan as a judgement of God and his superficial and unwise thought about the relation of Moslem and terrorist have put us Christians in Indonesia in deeper religious oppressions!

And now you said that Dr. Moore is writing contemptuous articles?! You clearly deluded, sir!

Come to Indonesia and I shall show you what damage Pat Robertson has done in the name of Christianity.

-Rahman
Carol Q September 16th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
As a woman who is struggling with infidelity in my marriage and praying daily for the strength and grace to forgive my husband and give my marriage another chance, I thank you, Dr. Moore for a reminder of how Christ loved me even when I was a sinner.

If I would take Pat Robertson’s advice - I could easily make a case that my husband is of “no more use” and that he’s broken our covenant anyways, I should just move on and find someone new. The harder thing to do is to stay, to love, to forgive and to persevere. To trust in God when it hurts. A lot. To trust in God when my husband has repented and asked for forgiveness, that God would work a miracle in BOTH of our hearts. God forgave me - who am I not to forgive?

Thank you again.
Kenneth Delgado September 16th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
As I shake my head and wonder at the last statement of Pat Robertson, I find myself equally shaking my head at the following quote (if my understanding of what is intimated is correct):

“They have given us a politicized Christianity that uses churches to “mobilize” voters rather than to stand prophetically outside the power structures as a witness for the gospel.”

Could it be possible that we, as the light, should not be involved in politics and let darkness prevail?

Was God not involved in the Kingship of David and is not the government of the shoulders of our Lord?

Have we forgotten the history of the Tannakh, that was written for our admonition and instruction, where if the government is evil it causes the people to err and to follow false gods?

I found both Robertson’s as well as Moore’s statements somewhat disturbing.

Chris Faddis in reply September 17th, 2011 at 1:07 am
@Kenneth Delgado,

I don’t think Moore is intimating that we should stand outside of politics as in not be involved or vote or be responsible citizens. I think his statement - if I understand it correctly - is more about putting our Christianity under the mantle of politics. He is identifying a trait of many Christian leaders who seem to be more in line with the current platform of their party than the Gospel. Certainly we do not stand aside from politics, but we also do not distort our doctrine so that it fits within it’s walls - which is what I understand Moore to be saying here.

Hope that helps.

Chris
James Basinger September 16th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
I cannot believe what he says sometimes. I only hear of it when it reaches the news because I don’t watch him. And to think he ran for president? I hope God shows him his error.
Matt September 16th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Thanks for this amazing article. As someone whose Grandmother suffered from dementia (and currently watches as a friend of the family travels that same road), I thank you for stating what I learned in that hospital room. God is with his people even (and especially) when they are too weak and too tired to notice. Our God is the God of the weak: healing the sick, and raising the dead. He is for the parasite and the victim. It is a shame that all too often we in the church (and those before us in Jerusalem) have tried to turn Him into a shining beacon of success as we deem it to be (i.e. power and wealth).
Wes Horn September 16th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Thank you! Well said.
Allan Jenks September 16th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
“I was in prison and you visited Me.” - Mr Robertson is a Matthew 25 ‘goat’ by Christ’s own definition.
Patina September 16th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Being a recently disabled woman who just got dumped by my mate of 15 years because I am no longer viable, I know the pain of the “prosperity and happiness” seekers callous beliefs. The belief that they are entitled to perfection. That there is “more” for them with someone else. Presumably someone who can keep their swollen egos and narcissistic vanity nurtured.

My heart is with those who suffer the pain these foolish parasites dish out. May those who suffer know that the Lord is with them, in their hearts and will never leave them. I am comforted by the spirit, and I know for those who suffer, that God’s grace is always available.
Doug Johnson September 16th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Brilliant. Thank you. Absolutely brilliant!
Gerald Whitney September 16th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
I wish people would not say things like that my 1st wife left me fir the same reason. I was devastated. I do not want for anyone who is ill to suffer in this way. I am so thankful that God would never leave or forsake me. Please pry for those who may be in that place. Thank you for allowing me share.
Patricia High September 16th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
So what is the issue here? Obedience to Christ’s commands or not? The issue viewed through another window is that the spouse of the one with Alzheimer’s is this - his/her needs are not being met. That must imply that we are entitled to having our needs met. So we as Christian must position ourselves, albeit divorce as Robertson says, to get our needs met . . . to have romance, sex, companionship, whatever. So what does Christ say about that? Let me take this from a different perspective. I married at 30 and was a widow at 38 . . . raised my two small children these many years alone. I have been a widow 18 years now, celibate before marriage and after these many years. A choice. A command to wait on Jesus for his best, his blessing if He so chooses. Has it been hard, yes, tempted, extremely. But those are daily choices to not compromise to have my needs met by finding it in other places, other ways. Sometimes, it is a severe mercy in our lives He calls us to . . . not always an easy one where the demands of the flesh are satisfied, but one in which he calls ‘us’ to die.
Michael Snow September 16th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Amen. Excellent and what a blessing to see so many here affirm the sacredness of life and marriage.
Eddy Bonner September 16th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
While I sometimes don’t agree with everything that Pat say’s, l agree with him much more than I agree with most other main stream preachers. While all main stream denominations are in a steady decline, CBN is reaching people for Christ. (4,389, 945 prayed the prayed of salvation) Isn’t that what we are supposed to be doing? I thought about what he said about Haiti and as I usually do, I went to see what John Wesley said about it. Yes, he preached a whole sermon about that. What he said made Pat seem tame. The public would run John Wesley out of town. I appriciate a man who will stand up to popular opinion and speak the truth like Pat. If you would be in unity with what Pat says, instead of pouncing on his every controversial remark, then, maybe you too would see the growth that he has enjoyed.

God bless Pat and you!
James Merritt September 16th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Spot on Russell as always.
Bryant Owens September 16th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Thank you again Dr Moore. To be like Christ as a Christian means to be selfless as Christ is selfless. There is something truly holy happening when a husband is holding the hand of his wife when she breaths her last breath.
russ rentler, md September 16th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
dear russell, that was a beautiful commentary. I work as a geriatrician and see sacrificial love on a daily basis, for years and years in some cases. These folks understand suffering more than any of us and truly have learned to carry their cross as Christ asks us to.
I was a charismatic evangelical Christian for most of my life until I converted to Catholicism nearly 7years ago. The value of redemptive suffering was never clear to me until I became Catholic and it was a theology that was sadly missing in my evangelical journey.
Thanks for your great commentary. may someone send it over to Pat’s blog. God bless
russell
Chris Faddis September 17th, 2011 at 12:56 am
Thank you for this post. I am appalled by Robertson’s remarks.

I’m 32, and this past Easter, my wife of five years was diagnosed with Stage IV colon cancer. I do not pretend to know something about the suffering associated with alzheimer’s and especially being a caretaker of someone with that life altering disease.

What I do know is that over the last five months while my wife has gone through treatment after treatment and her body has been wrecked not only by the cancer but also by those treatments that are meant to save her life, I have on many occasions missed her. She is often not “there” as fatigue, and many side-effects have left her out of it or too tired to even talk.

When she is lucid, I cherish every single moment, because she could be out of it again very soon. She tries so hard to be there for me and the kids, but often it is too hard to even sit up.

I’ll be honest, I do feel lonely at times. Tonight being one of them. She has been in a lot of pain and was in bed by 7pm tonight. I miss my best friend tonight. Our time after the kids go to bed is some of our best time together… and these days - there is less of that to go around.

But to think, for a moment that I would end our marriage because she was no longer “there”. I’m fully aware that my wife is certainly more “there” than an alzheimer’s patient. But even still.

We often talk about how crazy it is for us that when we said on the altar “in sickness and in health” we were thinking it would be many years from now. Yet, five years after we said those words, we are living it out. And I’ll live out that vow for the rest of our lives if that’s what it takes. I’m grateful for your post Russell. So sad that even Christians have fallen for this self-centered life that our society clings too.

And I’ll tell you another thing - it doesn’t matter if my wife isn’t able to give me affection/attention as much as before her diagnosis - I’m still in love. That love will never die - because it is rooted in the promise and the CALL of Christ.

Fitting that you would cite Ephesians 5. Last week I was very moved when a friend pointed out that I was living out Ephesians 5. If only I could do it without so much grumbling.

In Christ,
Chris Faddis

Barb in reply September 19th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
@Chris Faddis, Your story really touches my heart. I follow neither Robertson nor Moore, but followed a link to this page on my niece’s facebook. I become disheartened with all of the splintered bickering, which has contributed to my daughter-in-law walking away from the faith at this point. I commend the positive comments. I am a Christian and I believe in the sanctity and commitment to marriage as an example of Christ’s love and commitment to His church/bride. I married my best friend when I was 19 and currently have been married 37 years. Is it always bliss? Are we always madly in love, day in and day out? No. We don’t always agree or get along on everything. But we are commanded to love- that implies that love is a choice, not a feeling. We believe that LOVE is a verb, not a noun- that is to say, it is a CHOICE to ACT in a certain way, regardless of how one FEELS. When we have chosen to obediently act in love through the difficult times, we have found that God always blesses us with the return also of the loving feelings. I watched my father-in-law care for his bride of over 50 years through 21 years of aggressive, painful, crippling rheumatoid arthritis. He considered it an HONOR to care for the one who had loved and sacrificed for him and his ministries. If our lives take a similar path, I pray for God ’s grace to always love, honor, respect, protect, and care for my best friend to the end, as he has always done for me. Thank you for your testimony of Christ’s love and commitment in the very difficult circumstances of your young marriage!
SLIMJIM September 17th, 2011 at 3:48 am
Unbelievably sad. But thank you for this post Dr. Moore.
D Jacobs September 17th, 2011 at 7:56 am
Hey all! I get that what he said was not based on what the scriptures teach about loving your wife, i get that. But why does this open him up to a world of criticism in an attitude of contempt? Instead of openly criticizing him or pointing out all of the things he’s messed up at before, why not pray for him and his ministry? We all have things that we screw up on regarding the Faith, but grace still covers it.

I don’t buy (no pun intended) the prosperity Gospel stuff, but that doesn’t mean that God can’t and even hasn’t used his ministry to reach people in the name of Christ. Build each other up with things that are good, and only get involved in pointing things out that are bad when God gives you that role to fulfill.
Sheryl Mexic September 17th, 2011 at 10:07 am
This is not a Christian issue at all. Why do you Christians think everything has to do with Christianity? I am Jewish and I feel the same way you do about Pat Robertson’s position. Again, this has nothing to do with Christianity. This is upholding the non-secular marriage vow. And I am not married, never have been.
David Buyna September 17th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Most Christians today are a house divided a spectacle to the secular delivering a message of One God but for each and every doctrine. Causing a kaleidoscoop spectrum; when will there eye be single? One God, One Bride, One body. Any and all Christians that witnesses; and or are able prevent; the defiling of one another; and or mocking God before the unbelievers by words or actions should do so haste-fully. I believe the root of this entire scenario is based primarily on Christians either to young or becoming complacent, leaning on their own understanding and forgetting that God’s will be done. e.g. Don’t do God’s work

[KJV] I Corinthians 3:6
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

Christians should pray for each other, seek first the Kingdom of God, and the kicker “LET” their light shine . . . If God want to bring light to an event he will “MAKE” his light shine upon it.

For the record I am not a neither 700 club member nor an avid viewer of the CBN. Just another Christian hoping and praying for unity of all Christians having one body, one faith, in one God and his Son Jesus Christ.
Devron September 17th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Pat Robertson is too quick to provide people with an excuse to divorce and remarry. But this is also a problem in Dr. Moore’s own denomination (Southern Baptist). Deal with the stick in your own denomination’s eye too, Dr. Moore.

This is not just Pat Robertson’s scandal. It just isn’t.
Phyllis Glanville September 17th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
I cannot believe you said a man is free to divorce his wife if she has Alzheimers disease. That almost nullified anything you say. I am astounded
Cheryl Eby September 17th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
I would sure hate to be Pat Robertson’s wife.
Ernestine Summer Bonicelli September 17th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
I believe this is a little over the top. In the first place, I would hardly put Pat Robertson in the “prosperity gospel” pack. I’ve never heard him preach that and I’ve been listening to him for years. I was appalled at what he said, and am frequently horrified at things he says. However, I believe, having watched and listened to him for many years, that what we are hearing is his own dementia setting in. He knows the bible and he knows better than what he said about the Alzheimer deal. It took me a lot of years to understand that everybody that isn’t straight down the line Southern Baptist doctrine isn’t necessarily wrong, believe it or not. Our own Steve Gaines has made that clear by such statements as “God is not a Baptist” and “Heaven is not a Baptist place”. Neither is God a Pentecostal, Catholic, or Episcopalian, etc. Pat has done and is doing much good in this world. People are being helped all over the world through Operation Blessing and people are being saved all over the world through that ministry and other ministries with his name on them. I remember someone saying once that the Church is the only group that shoots it’s wounded. That is pitiful. I do believe he should have been corrected on this and I do believe it is past time for him to step down. But does he know that? Would he be able to see it if his family told him that? What do you do with a mind that no longer works as it should, but the power is still there to stay in place? I don’t know, I just believe more compassion and love is in order and that the problem can be addressed without judgmental, critical harshness. I also don’t believe it’s accurate to say “Jesus is not there” about anyplace there are Christ followers, trying to help preserve our country or do any other good thing. He is not confined to church buildings. If there is more time spent in the political arena than there is at kingdom work, then that’s out of balance. But as citizens of a self determining style of government, we have the right and the responsibility of trying to get good people in office. That’s how we got so many rotten ones, the church stood on the sidelines way too long.
Naomi Storey September 17th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
I have watched The 700 Club ever since it has been on the air in my area. My husband and I have even been there and were at the taping of one of the shows, attended meetings, luncheons, dinners, etc. and were contributors for many years.

I am very familiar with what is being said on the show. I actually was watching The 700 Club when Pat made the comment about Alzheimer’s victims. I was flabbergasted, to say the least. My uncle (in his 80’s) took care of his wife who had Alzheimer’s for over 10 years. He refused to institutionalize her.

I know that Pat had a prostateectomy several years ago after being diagnosed with prostate cancer.. My husband had one 3 years ago. If you don’t know the repercussions of this type of surgery, do an internet search. Using Pat’s logic, his wife could have divorced him after he had this surgery.
JT September 17th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Sounds almost Catholic Russell
Rob September 17th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
What a terrible remark for Robertson to make. As someone who believes in the permanence view of marriage, his comment was utterly tragic. Thank you for the sound remarks. I also thought the interview was very well done and you responded excellently.
Donna Jean September 18th, 2011 at 10:00 am
My husband committed adultery and told his mother and sister that he is divorcing me because I am not a very good wife. I didn’t look as good as the woman he was with that is half his age, I struggled with depression (a lot of it was because of his mistreatment of me) and I didn’t keep the house immaculate like he wanted (we have 5 children and he never helped me in the home and actually spent a lot of his free time watching tv and golfing), and I was a contentious wife, that part I really struggled with, but I mainly was upset about his lack of care and time for our family. I think Pat Robertson’s type of thinking in the church will give a lot of people license to divorce.
Sterk Zwillig September 18th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
It is interesting how M.r. Moore is oblivious to the fact that M.R. Robertson’s words are infact taken far more seriously than his own. I was unaware of him until a read an article today.
Patrick Narkinsky September 18th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
That preached. Thank you.
Lolly Gould September 18th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
What I need to say that I appreciate about your article is the grace from which you wrote. There is less accusational name calling here than other places–you take apart the issue delicately, even as your critique is merited. Thank you for your gracious treatment of this heated topic.
Ann Gallagher September 18th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Ann Gallagher
I was so angry when I heard what Robertson said. This is a slap in the face to every heroic person who has lived and/or is living with this terrible disease and their care givers. I ask you Sir does one walk away from a spouse who has cancer or heart disease? This is what Alzheimer’s is a disease that destroys and kills the one that you love and hold dear.

My beloved husband was stricken with this devastating disease. I was his care giver he was my loving Hero. His hand was the same hand I held in 1950 when we were married. His eyes the same eyes that often spoke of love, less frequently with AD, but if I waited and always looked for that twinkle in his blue eyes it was there, just for a moment, a tiny miracle. When I touched his face yes there was the warmth and love that I had always felt…my beloveds.

.. Mr Roberts your favorite scripture is “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.” Our Lord was with us every day and gave us the strength to travel the long difficult journey of Alzheimer’s. He allowed me to care for my husband in my home and as I look back I know it was Gods sustaining grace that walked with us and let me be there until God called my beloved home in 05.. How faithful is our Lord!

What a blessing to have known and loved such an amazing Christan man who had such a generous spirit and kind heart..loved by his dear family and all who knew him.. He so deserved the best of care and all the love that we gave to him.

Thank you so much Rev. Moore for this article of faith. I just found your web site tonight and so needed to hear your message…it blessed my heart so much.

May all who must live with this devastating disease and their loved ones know and feel Gods blessed peace is my prayer.

Sincerely,
Ann Gallagher
Dion Petros September 18th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
If Christians would simply adhere to the most logical interpretation of applicable Old and New Testament version and accept that polygamy is acceptable to God this would not be an issue. In fact a man could remain married to the wife suffering from Alzheimer’s, or any other malady for that matter, and not only have a wife who could meet his needs but also be a help to him in caring for the wife who is unwell.
David L Perry September 18th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
After reading all the comments here, am particularly grateful for
. the re-affirmations of the exalted nature of the marriage vow,
. all the stories, reminders of the countless people that selflessly and many times with long-term difficulty care for a spouse or parent that is utterly dependent on them (a wide variety of conditions),
. the challenges to the church to take seriously a supporting role, especially to care-givers that are themselves quite vulnerable on any number of levels,
. planting the seeds of exploration… what would have to radically change in each body of believers to take seriously the growth of each marriage relationship so we don’t have the barrage of surprises of eroded relationships, and family carnage,
. the challenge to very respected leaders to be more careful with handling of Scripture in spite of our cultural addiction to convenience divorces; with that questionable “exception” clause becoming the centerpiece, though contrary to other scripture and understanding over the centuries outside our society.
A saddening category of response was what might be the worship of brilliance (a temptation in any following), which should be reserved for “the love of Christ which is beyond all knowledge”, which these people in the trenches are experiencing and reflecting.

Another situation with the same implications, is one who is divorced by spouse that for years was committed to the covenant vow, but in a state of paranoid schizophrenia pushed all friends and even spouse away. Many of you among cloud of witnesses, encouraging this one to wait on God for a path back to be able to care for spouse, even if not until they bottom out or get medical help… even if it is after years. After all, God uses all this to transform us into the likeness of his Son, and increase our anticipation of glory, and share with the many others that for years do not have a marriage partner, but live a fruitful life in Christ.

Am grateful to be in the vibrant caring body of Christ, and for the ministry of his word and his Spirit.
Rev John Coman September 19th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Thank you so much for your clear statement on marriage fidelity and sacrificial love.
Many Australian Christians have bought into the self centred gospel that is about meeting their needs rather than reflecting Christ. What I have just read is both refreshing and a reminder that there are still people that respond to the call of the Gospel and the challenge of Scripture!

AGAIN - THANK YOU!!
Nicole McComas September 19th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
I have to say, this post really struck a chord with me. Alzheimer’s is pretty prevalent in my family. On my mother’s side, her mother and all of her mother’s siblings have had or currently have it, as did their father. My father’s father was just diagnosed with Alzheimer’s as well, and my grandmother is the one who takes care of him. They’ve been married for over 60 years, and even though it’s incredibly difficult for her, she would never dream of leaving Papaw just because their relationship is “one-sided” now. I can’t imagine anyone condoning this. Yes, it’s probably the cruelest disease to those who have to play the part of caregiver. It drains you in every possible way and exhausts you from sunup to sundown–but the last time I checked, the marriage vows state “for better or worse.” Thanks so much for your stand on this.
Susan Schulte September 19th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Did you actually watch the show with Pat Robertson saying those remarks ? If so…..I’m curious as to why you didn’t include the actual footage so we could also hear exactly what Robertson said…..as well as the context in which it was said.
I agree with you that just because someone is ordained as a Preacher…..whether he/she has a TV show or is the Pastor at the church that we attend…..we don’t necessarily see Jesus through that person’s actions or hear Jesus’ true words of the Gospel.
If Robertson did indeed say that about a spouse being Biblically released from their spouse who has Alzheimer’s Disease…..then yes…..I do agree that he is wrong.
But have you forgotten that it’s not your place or mine to judge Pat Robertson ?
Have you gone to Robertson and discussed your concerns about what he has said ? I doubt it.
So when you take the time and energy to blast him for his beliefs…..whether they are twisted or not…..that no doubt delights Satan.
And it makes you appear that you feel you are superior in your Christian journey and have the right to ‘enlighten’ people to Robertson’s beliefs so as to belittle him.
He’s a brother in Christ. Not a target for you to mock.
Wouldn’t your time be better spent blogging about the gift of forgiveness and eternal life ?
That would be building up the Kingdom of Christ for His glory…..rather than tearing it down little by little and pleasing Satan.

Ken Sweers in reply September 20th, 2011 at 11:50 am
@Susan Schulte,
How ironic - talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Andrew Rice in reply September 22nd, 2011 at 8:51 am
@Susan Schulte,

Robertson did not say this. I am amazed that so many people here and elsewhere do not take the time to inquire about what was actually said. This article is slander! We are so busy shooting our wounded, that we are not taking the time to Love them. The whole thing is really disgusting. Here is an article that has some of the transcripts.
http://www.slate.com/id/2303989/

Susan, you are right on track! Good for you…ignore your critics, God is smiling on you, as am I!
Wayne Perkins September 20th, 2011 at 3:36 am
Thank you from someone in New Zealand, who just read your article, who really enjoyed it, who really agreed with it, who like you has been saved by grace, who thinks that the greatest in heaven will be the unknowns of earth, who thinks that like the women with the two copper coins the man wiping the drool may be giving more than Bill Gates, who knows that the only good in himself is from God, who knows that he is not a fit man to judge anyone, who thinks that we should get on with feeding the hungry, who now after 40 years finally gets that he should love God with all his might and love his neighbour and forget what I think or feel about it, who knows that his pride needs no encouragment and who knows that when he gets to heaven it will be because Jesus died for him, from someone who quite frankly is blown away by GRACE
Maggie September 20th, 2011 at 9:19 am
One of the clearest witnesses of the Gospel was the way my Mom-mom took care of my Pop-pop as he deteriorated from dementia. Thank you for writing this.
kenny gallagher September 20th, 2011 at 10:44 am
my name is kenny, i am 53, and i love the Lord. my wife is 32, and is a strong woman of faith. my father is 82, and in the beginningstages of alz. his older sister died at 81 after 10 years in an assisted living facility, not knowing any of us for that length of time. his younger brother is 78 and has now been in a home for 3 yrs with the same afliction. i worry. not the least of my worries, because i love my wife so much, is that i would not care to place a burden on her like so many people have written in about. 10 years of mental anguish in watching the person you love deteriorate and possibly go with it the memories of a life together in Christ. pat robertson is an idiot, pretty much has always been one [ sorry Lord ], but the issue is not black and white, there are God’s children involved, and in the end we are all responsible for our own salvation. just sayin’.

in Christ,
kenny

ps this is not hypothetical
Philomena De Salvatore September 20th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Jesus tells us he is present in the weak, the vulnerable, the useless. He is there in the least of these (Matt. 25:31-46). Somewhere out there right now, a man is wiping the drool from an 85 year-old woman who flinches because she think he’s a stranger. No television cameras are around. No politicians are seeking a meeting with them.
But the gospel is there. Jesus is there.

AMEN…MY MOM CARED FOR MY DAD FOR YEARS. AS A MATTER OF FACT SHE LITERALLY “GAVE HER LIFE” FOR THE ONE SHE LOVED AND WAS COVENANTED TO FOR 54 YEARS OF MARRIAGE. SHE WENT HOME TO THE LORD ON JULY 27, 2011. SOMEDAY SOON HE WILL JOIN HER AND I’M SURE EXPRESS HIS THANKS FOR ALL SHE DID.
Joyce Kronemeyer September 20th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
As the daughter of a dear Mom who just passed away two weeks ago after having Alzheimer’s for over 7 years, and who has watched my own Dad and many other spouses lovingly care for their loved ones in a Memory Care Unit, I am appaled my what Robertson has said. I am comforted in what Mppre has written. What Jesus has modeled for the church commands our respect, love, obedience and emulation.
Theophilus Dr September 21st, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Might I suggest a different approach to this question?

Only a few responses have actually addressed the problem. Many responses to Dr. Moore’s post have been touching and illustrate an application of God’s purpose for marriage. Many other responses have been based on whether or not one likes Pat Robertson and his messages over half a century. I certainly would agree that the interpretation people have given to what Pat Robertson said is scripturally wrong. I agree that one can fill in some blanks around Robertson’s statement and come up with the interpretation that has generated such a negative response. Several responders have posted a comment that was more conciliatory toward Robertson. Most of these comments have generated, themselves, a response which appeared to ride on the waves of judgment and attack. Very regretful. What would an unbeliever say who read these comments? How about 1 Cor. 14:23? (I hope someone does not say this passage doesn’t apply because all the responses have been in English!)

What (or who) is being placed on the sacrificial alter here? Do we place Pat Robertson? Do we place marriage? Do we place sympathy for those with dementia (my mother had it for at least 9 years)? Do we place our emotional response? The person placed on the alter before God is ME.

Who gets crucified here? Pat Robertson? “I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. (Gal. 2:20). I have found that the only time I have a sanctimonious nose to look down at someone else is when I, myself, have climbed off the alter and come down from the cross.

Doesn’t the scripture address how to handle this? Why say that Pat Robertson doesn’t follow the scripture if we don’t follow it ourselves? There is a sequence to follow in dealing with a brother over an offense in Matthew 18:15-17 - first I go, then I take others with me, then I bring it before the church, then the church treats him like an unbeliever. It doesn’t say the church condemns him. It doesn’t say to immediately judge the brother and write him up publicly on the Internet.
Pat Robertson should be given the benefit of grace to discuss with him how the interpretation of what he said is unscriptural and damaging to the body of Christ. He should have an opportunity to clarify exactly what he means and to present clear teachings on marriage and the commitment it brings. The process says that I will do this before I will post judgmental comments on this site or any other one. Has anyone who has busted Pat Robertson gone to him first, in any way? Dr. Moore, have you? Aren’t we missing an opportunity to “redeem a brother?”

“Well, he’s not my brother.” “There’s no way I can do that.” “He won’t listen, anyway.” Aren’t all of these just lame excuses to justify one’s own poor behavior?

Why don’t we show Pat Robertson the way the body of Christ handles matters like this? Why don’t we show the world that the church uses methods that are a testimony to Christ rather than Christians can throw even bigger rocks than unbelievers can.

But now, God has shown us the most excellent way. (1 Cor.12:31). Let’s use it.

Roberto Aranas in reply September 21st, 2011 at 8:01 pm
@Theophilus Dr, I agree with you. In reality I’m not in the same country with Pat or you. If you have access with Pat then talk to him and show Pat the right path, i.e. Jesus on the way to Calvary. A sacrifice, including marriage.

Janet in reply September 21st, 2011 at 11:45 pm
@Theophilus Dr, I agree. Thank you. Sometimes I wish the moderator would limit the comments to people who’ve had a mentally ill or severely challenged spouse. It’s so easy to throw stones and we Christians excel at it.

T h e o • p h i l o g u e in reply October 3rd, 2011 at 12:00 pm
@Theophilus Dr–If that’s how you feel, you should also join the dialogue here: http://theophilogue.wordpress.com/2011/09/29/russel-moore-repudiates-albert-mohlers-theological-triage/
Robin Mavis September 21st, 2011 at 5:21 pm
I do not identify as a christian, though I was raised in a christian church (LMS), attended a fundamentalist (healings, speaking in tongues, casting out demons, the whole works) church for about a decade. Then I was delivered from that cult.
The author states that few christians listen very much or take seriously Pat Robertson. This may true for your community, but I must be honest and tell you that the rest of the nation and in other nations too, who do not identify as christians - we the non believers or the agnostic, or the questioning or what ever you would like to call us, see no other face to christianity but those like Pat Robertson who spew hate, condemnation, boastfulness and plain crazy words. If he is not the true face of christianity, then why do you christians let him have that platform to decieve those who do not know any better? Why do you who are true christians, allow the false teachings to quietly steel your brothers and sisters out of your churches to be brain washed? Sometime you need to step out of your own safe places and take a look from a less biased place as to how the world really does perceive christianity. It’s people like Pat Robertson that Ghandi was talking about when he said “I like your Christ. I do not like christians, they are so unlike your christ.” Only you all can change who is the voice for your faith. But if you just sit back and do nothing, don’t complain that the media or non christians assume this man speaks for you all.

Theophilus Dr in reply September 21st, 2011 at 7:04 pm
@Robin Mavis,
Thank you for the insightful comments; they directly address a real problem. Scripture says that Satan can masquerade as angels of light The real power of God can be copied fraudulently by some who build their doctrines around external manifestations more than around Christ. I’m sorry that the body of Christ has not been more faithful in presenting God’s real power for you.

But, for those of us who claim the name of “Christian,” cannot words be a form of “external manifestation?” I have noted on too many Christian-oriented blogs and posts that the people commenting will eventually turn their posts against one another and be rather pointed and nasty about it. Is this an external manifestation of the fruit of the Holy Spirit or out of the flesh? Gal. 2:15, “If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.” What does this say about “Keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace?” Eph. 4:3. What sort of witness is this for people like Robin? Thank you, Robin, for speaking up.

“Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit.” Gal. 5:25. Robin’s point is well-taken. Why doesn’t everyone find a way to Facebook on 700 Club or email a message to CBN editors so we can flood Pat Robertson’s mailbox with invitations to join the members of the body of Christ in discussion about some of his comments that reflect poorly on the church? I’ve done this, and I plan to write some more.

Janet in reply September 21st, 2011 at 11:42 pm
@Robin Mavis, Very well said. Thank you.
Roberto Aranas September 21st, 2011 at 7:12 pm
When I was a teenager, I used to watch 700 club and was blessed. Now that I’m older older, married and heard Pat Robertson said these things is absurd and makes me worry. What if, I will get the Alzhiemer’s disease or even worse. What about people who lived in 3rd world country, where there’s no healthcare program?
Does Pat suggests that husbands can leave her/him aside and get another one because she/he becomes useless (not there anymore)?

for rich or poorer, for sickness or health,’till do us part”, is still one of the Christian marital values that we have to keep, to separate us from others.
Andrew Rice September 22nd, 2011 at 8:44 am
Mr. Moore.

I am very disappointed that this article makes claims that several other articles have, which is that Pat Robertson said something, that he DID NOT SAY. Your article has false and misleading information in it. It should be removed. You have slandered and libeled Robertson, and you owe him an apology. FYI, the man (with the alzheimer’s wife) was already in a relationship with another woman, what Robertson said, implied that divorce was better than adultery, and what he said overall was that an Ethicist should be consulted and and that he did not feel comfortable making a judgement here. Read the transcripts, or watch the program, but please don’t slander and judge other Christian leaders…I think God can handle the judgement part.

http://www.slate.com/id/2303989/ read this…it may help.

Margaret Davis in reply September 22nd, 2011 at 11:09 am
@Andrew Rice,
Followed the link, Robertson’s quote is as indefensible as ever. When Slate gives your brand of religion high fives, you should worry.
Jamila Davis September 22nd, 2011 at 11:08 am
This article was wonderful! God bless you
AC Smith September 22nd, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Pat Robertson’s comments were wrong and unbiblical. Yet, reading the responses to his comments has been disheartening. In general, Christian respondents have been harsh, insulting, pejorative, and uncharitable. It has pained me to find that secular and non-Christian commentators have examined Robertson’s words with greater intellectual honesty and fairness than Christians, taking measure of all he said and meant rather than attacking a caricature. It’s shameful when Christians behave worse towards someone who is ostensibly one of our own than we would to people like Christopher Hitchens or Sam Harris. We disagree with Hitchens and Harris, but our disagreement is polite, respectful, and honest to their words. Why does this spirit not also apply to Robertson?

Robertson has been making outlandish comments for years. Too often, the secular world holds him up as a leader of the church and paints us, unfairly, with his ideas. Most of us are sick of it. I suspect that this is the underlying reason for the venom and rage that we are directing against him. We’re mad at Robertson and even more mad at the secular media that gives him a megaphone. It’s much easier to lash out against him personally rather than the amorphous “media.” But, are we really saying that Peter’s caution about “gentleness and respect” (1Pe 3:15) only applies to non-Christians?
Mark Powell September 22nd, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Dear Dr. Moore,
Thank you for posting this excellent essay. I don’t know if you knew him, but Dr. William Hendricks of blessed memory was a mentor of mine in my youth. I can’t help but think he would also approve. I am an Orthodox Christian having grown up in the Southern Baptist church, which gave me a formation for which I remain grateful. Thank you for your essay.
Mark Powell
Barbara Thayer September 25th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. My mother died from Alzheimer’s disease. I helped to care for her for ten years. I did it gladly even though it was a painful time to watch her slowly slip away. I cannot imagine any Christian ever saying that a person with this disease should be put aside as though they no longer matter in a marriage or otherwise. I loved my mother even more when she was ill. I miss her still, but now she is in heaven…whole and restored before the Lord she loved. Again…thank you for putting this in biblical perspective for all to see.
kyle hazen September 29th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
“Jesus tells us he is present in the weak, the vulnerable, the useless. He is there in the least of these (Matt. 25:31-46). ”

wouldn’t you consider Mr. Robertson also a man who is weak, vulnerable, and useless?
Nancy Osborn October 19th, 2011 at 3:33 am
I missed the day you are talking about when Pat Robertson made that comment, but I did see his show later where he wanted to explain why he gave that particular man the advice he gave him. Pat Robertson said that this gentleman was having an affair with someone and was very bitter about GOD and the way his life was. Pat told him that in his case it would be better to divorce his wife and not continue to live in Adultery. He went on to tell that he believes in staying true to your marriage partner for life and that you will do this if you love them and take your vows seriously. The advice he gave to that man was only because that individual was living in sin, and whether than keep doing that, Pat thought he should get a divorce. I hope this helps all who wander why Pat said what he did, being that he is a Christian. Any one who truly loves GOD and their spouse will remain loyal to them no matter what disease or hardship they have to face during their marriage, because they will want to remain true to their vows they made to GOD and their partner!

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